Why you left VSTs?

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bM3w
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705 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Seattle

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:23 pm

BONES wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:13 pm
lfm wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:18 pm
I prefer physical knobs and buttons - and the convenience of just one power button to sit down and play a bit. Just more accessible.
I'm sorry but that's just bullshit. The only power button I need to switch on is my laptop. Once it's on, so is everything else. OTOH, each of my hardware synths has a power button and so does the mixer. That's at least half-a-dozen more power buttons to press.
Pfff. The power of my Eurorack cases/modules, speakers, audio interface and mixer is fully controlled by Alexa. I don't have to touch a single button to turn everything on or off :P

e-crooner
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1771 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm

Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)

bM3w
KVRian
705 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Seattle

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:34 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
That's totally ok with me as long as Apple doesn't make typewriters :hihi:

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justin3am
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Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:00 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
I did that when I was a creative writing major. I couldn't afford a laptop at the time but I could afford a Remington portable. It was a bitch to carry around but I liked the feel of an old mechanical typewriter. I feel the same about my hardware synths.

I never left VSTs though... they're still here.

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CrystalWizard
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1208 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit Sol III

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 pm

justin3am wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:00 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
I did that when I was a creative writing major. I couldn't afford a laptop at the time but I could afford a Remington portable. It was a bitch to carry around but I liked the feel of an old mechanical typewriter. I feel the same about my hardware synths.

I never left VSTs though... they're still here.
Yep, i know someone who still types, says it’s more visceral. Same can be said for hardware. As always when faced with difficults decisions i choose both. Hardware, software, sure.

MS word sux btw.
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CrystalWizard
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Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:51 pm

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Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:52 pm

Yes, HW certainly can't match the appeal of Word.

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foosnark
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5190 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:29 am

e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
It's more like switching from MS Word to painting.

And as several of us already pointed out multiple times, it's not "switching" anyway, it's adding.

perfumer
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Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:11 am

CrystalWizard wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 pm
Yep, i know someone who still types, says it’s more visceral.
Pencil and paper. Helps me to focus on that place under the tip of the pencil. Conjuration by weaving!

A typewriter is like playing an organ that makes shotgun sounds. Your mind gets wrapped up in the machinery.

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KVRAF
1771 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:31 am

justin3am wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:00 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
I did that when I was a creative writing major. I couldn't afford a laptop at the time but I could afford a Remington portable. It was a bitch to carry around but I liked the feel of an old mechanical typewriter. I feel the same about my hardware synths.

I never left VSTs though... they're still here.
I learned how to type before computers were common. I didn't really hear the harsh keystrokes anymore after a while. Still, I never found it more inspiring or artistic than Word. A Remington is also just a machine.

But the comfort of Word is a huge advantage. Editing most of all. And Word saves a lot of paper, i.e. trees.

The same goes for synths in my view. Sure, the tactile/fun aspect is reduced, depending on one's Midi controller. Other than that I see only advantages.

Robmobius
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Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:01 am

BONES wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:01 pm
Well, you are wrong. Your beloved Virus, for example, is simply a software synthesizer wrapped in a custom box with keys. It is completely and utterly no different to any VSTi, beyond the code used to create it. If Access ever decided to release it as a VSTi, it would sound exactly the same, just as the sound of my Novation K Station was indistinguishable from that of it's V-Station VSTi clone. IF you find your software doesn't sound as good as your hardware, I'd be looking for problems in your signal path because there is no reason it shouldn't sound at least as good.
I understand that the Virus is coded, etc. But the problem is that I've not found anything that can compete with it in terms of sound without slathering the VST in FX and further processing. But even beyond that the Virus has it's own unique sound (like or loath it). Maybe because I like heavy music so it sits well with my musical taste. I've tried several times to recreate bass in Dune 3 and it does a great job (it's one of my favorite softies) but I still think the Virus does it better - especially with the onboard distortion it has.

You point about Access bringing out a soft synth that would sound exactly like the hardware could be accurate (lest assume they'd go all out). The Roland cloud is a good example of a vsts being very close to the original. Same goes for u-he's stuff. That said, I doubt it will ever happen. As I was saying earlier though, I have no personal loyalty to a product or hardware. If Access did bring out such a synth my Polar would be on ebay before you could say I hate Elton John.

Truth be told I'd prefer to use only software... It's far less hassle (hardware is a pain in the ass to set up). And as for that whole 'tactile' argument I find it irrelevant as I could just use a midi controller. As it happens I use the virus as a soft synth anyway (TI integration). I can't play keyboard for shit.

I also own a Minibrute II and again I can't find a vst that can replicate the bass. Or make bass that sounds quite as good n' heavy.

Regarding my 'signal flow' - One could say that as the HW has an advantage of going through a pre-amp. It would be a pain to do that with a vst (maybe the Analog Heat could do that with its overbridge plugin).

Now if you said to me that guitar itb distortion sounds as good as an actual amp I'd 100% agree. A few of those companies have done an amazing job - Like Neural DSP. And the difference to my ears is negligible.
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vurt
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65214 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:11 am

e-crooner wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:31 am
justin3am wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:00 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:32 pm
Switching from plugins to hardware is like switching from MS Word to a mechanical typewriter 8)
I did that when I was a creative writing major. I couldn't afford a laptop at the time but I could afford a Remington portable. It was a bitch to carry around but I liked the feel of an old mechanical typewriter. I feel the same about my hardware synths.

I never left VSTs though... they're still here.
I learned how to type before computers were common. I didn't really hear the harsh keystrokes anymore after a while. Still, I never found it more inspiring or artistic than Word. A Remington is also just a machine.

But the comfort of Word is a huge advantage. Editing most of all. And Word saves a lot of paper, i.e. trees.

The same goes for synths in my view. Sure, the tactile/fun aspect is reduced, depending on one's Midi controller. Other than that I see only advantages.
using hardware is very much like making love to a beautiful woman, maybe one day youll get to try one or the other...

swiss toni.

e-crooner
KVRAF
1771 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:15 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:11 am
using hardware is very much like making love to a beautiful woman, maybe one day youll get to try one or the other...

swiss toni.
A synth is just a machine. I used to have a hardware synth, I don't miss it at all.

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vurt
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65214 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:18 am

moan at toni, not me.

e-crooner
KVRAF
1771 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 am

Robmobius wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:01 am
Maybe because I like heavy music so it sits well with my musical taste. I've tried several times to recreate bass in Dune 3 and it does a great job (it's one of my favorite softies) but I still think the Virus does it better - especially with the onboard distortion it has.


I also own a Minibrute II and again I can't find a vst that can replicate the bass. Or make bass that sounds quite as good n' heavy.
Do you have audio examples of such heavy basses? Just curious...

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