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DCrown wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:53 am You obviously have surrendered to collaborate with devs.
No, I haven't. I have so far only talked to a few, and its not like I got a resounding no as an answer, its more like they have shied away from collaborating. My impression is that they think it is not beneficial for them to make the second hand market safe, because as long as the second hand market is potentially unsafe, it will make more customers buy first hand. However, I believe this type of thinking is missing the big picture and is immoral.

It is immoral to allow scams to happen which could easily have been prevented, motivated by financial gain.

And here is the big picture: If you are concerned about your users and are committed to their safety, you will have a more committed fanbase and gain respect in the community. A safe transfer procedure at no or low cost will generate trust in the second hand market of the developer, making it easier to achieve better prices there and thus creating an incentive for buying the license in the first place (first hand). If you are the only company that is offering this, it will definitely make you stand out. You will gain devoted customers (many second hand buyers will become first hand buyers) instead of angry ex-customers.

Last but not least: The universe is about karma. Being co-responsible for unnecessary harm in the world will somehow affect you and your company.
Knobcloud.com - marketplace for audio software

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Issue was dealt with, post removed.
Don't trust those with words of weakness, they are the most aggressive

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Hey KCloud,

I've bought and sold using your platform and my experience has been really good so far.

A couple of enhancements to your site could make the experience even better, imo:

1. Sale price history and average selling price for plugins that have been sold on the site, like Reverb does for musical equipment.
2. A notification function if one is looking for a plugin that isn't currently on sale, to be alerted once that plugin is listed.

Keep on, keepin' on!

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I'm about to sell a few of my plugins on Knobcloud but ya the place doesn't look appealing to me, I'll try using eBay instead of knobcloud.

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Biggest issue I see at the moment is the repeating bumpers - there are guys who delete and create new sales for their plugins on a daily basis, sometimes even couple of times a day. There must be some sort of limit?

Also average selling price is good for orientation, as someone already mentioned. I noticed that sometimes you see a guy sell plugin for almost retail price (for example 150 usd) but the average selling price is 30 usd, mostly speaking about PA plugins here and the guys who dont have experience in selling online. Maybe some sort of hint would be good when creating a sale.

And a wishlist - you want certain plugin, when someone puts it on sale, you get notification?

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HcDoom wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:36 am Biggest issue I see at the moment is the repeating bumpers - there are guys who delete and create new sales for their plugins on a daily basis, sometimes even couple of times a day. There must be some sort of limit?
It seems since the last upgrade the limit to bump items has been removed. It would be nice if this was implemented again, true.

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Just bought something on Knobcloud and it went very smoothly. I chose to pay a little more for someone with better feedback (more transactions) just to be safe. I also just listed my first thing on there. Will see how it goes.

Only odd thing was when you are in the US for example, and the listing is in Euros, and you hit Buy it Now, you agree to pay, but you don't get the conversion at that time. I asked my Alexa Dot for the conversion ,but she was wrong. Ended up costing me about $20 extra over what I thought it was going to be. Still a good deal overall, so no sweat. Just get a reliable/accurate currency conversion tool and make sure you know what you are gonna be paying.
Macs M1/M2 / Bitwig 4 / Studio One 6

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Is there any bump mechanism on Knobcloud or do listings just continue to get buried as the days go on?
Macs M1/M2 / Bitwig 4 / Studio One 6

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the fact people are talking about it just proves what a great name it is!
Grottengeier wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:47 pm It was an accident, but it sticks to the mind :) .
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fully functioned marketplace? welp i don't need to go to kvr forum now

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I keep getting email notifications for the products that I've sold a month ago or so - multiple times? Do you guys experience the same issue?

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Are you actually the owner of Knobcloud??

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DefiantDiamond wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:38 am Are you actually the owner of Knobcloud??
Grottengeier is. Knobcloud support can be contacted via email and is generally very fast and helpful if you have any questions.

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Hi dear users,

the marketplace is eating up a lot of time and ressources. We have ongoing support for the users and we actually do a lot of work to prevent scams and ensure overall safety. I do believe that what we do in this regard is not being done in any other marketplace. If we uncover a scammer, we send out emails to all the buyers and help them to get their refund from PayPal.

Especially this security work is something that I had not thought of when I buildt the marketplace. At the moment I am paying a specialist for support and fraud detection, as well as a developer for ongoing bug fixing and maintenance.

The revenue of ads and donations is not doing the trick. So I am financially forced to get some kind of revenue from the users.

I have been looking into taking commissions from the sellers, but PayPal does not offer splitting a payment in this environment (sellers would need a business account). A debit charge is also not possible with PayPal for non-recurring payments. Taking a commission would only be possible if I asked for a credit card, I assume. But we are already asking for a lot of personal data with the PayPal integration, and I think it would be a lot to ask for. Also, it would drive up the prices.

So instead I am leaning to a subscription model for buyers. Selling will remain free of charge. As of now, I´m thinking of taking these fees from buyers:

-2 €/USD for a one-time purchase
-5 €/USD for a month of subscription
-15 €/USD for a 6 month subscription
-25 €/USD for a 12 month subscription

I am posting this because I would like to get some feedback of users before implementing it.

Thank you!
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Hi Grottengeier,

I wouldn't implement a subscription model because it will reduce the number of possible buyers and affect the whole market place because less buyers will finally lead to less sellers.
I am wondering about the security topics you are dealing with and what ongoing developments are necessary. Could you give some insights?

Best regards

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