How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

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ftnwo2012
KVRer
24 posts since 4 Dec, 2012

Post Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:09 am

Hello to all,
I have a problem with the windows of some "developable" vsts.
Some vsts have, among their functions, the possibility of enlarging their window in order to have access to other parameters. Take the Roland VS D-50 for example. If I press the "patch" or "lower" keys, the bottom of the blue MuLab frame framing the vst disappears, suggesting that something is below. But nothing appears. How to solve this problem ?
Thanks in advance.
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KVRAF
10393 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:17 pm

Is this repeatable with another Windows VST that is non-Roland and is freeware or has a demo-version?

ftnwo2012
KVRer
24 posts since 4 Dec, 2012

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:27 am

Oooops, sorry, I didn't see the answer.
Yes, I took this Roland Vst forexample but it's the same problem with any "developpable" vst, free or not.
I tried on another daw and the "window" of the vst opens itself normally.
It seems that MuLab doesn't want to expand his own container window.
In the case of a non developpable vst, the MuLab window stay "entire" and there's no problem but since a vst has this option (a little bit like Kontakt for example too), le bottom of the window doesn't appear.
I tried to see in the GUI options but I didn't found nothing.
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This is another vst. We see the prest button is unticked and the window is entire.
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On this picture, we see the preset button is ticked but the window stays "entire", undevellopable.
Shortly, it's impossible to see the bottom of the vst.
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KVRAF
10393 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:05 am

What is a "developable" VST?

Beside this question, i suspect that the VST does not properly send a audioMasterSizeWindow message to the host.

e-crooner
KVRian
1133 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:53 am

Does it not work in other DAW's, either?

(I think the term is expandable/collapsible.)

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viceverser
KVRist
289 posts since 13 Nov, 2010

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:10 am

This is a big issue for people using smaller screen sizes... I suspect adding small scroll bars to vst windows could fix these type issues.

Cheers, V.

chk071
KVRAF
22811 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:13 am

mutools wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:17 pm
Is this repeatable with another Windows VST that is non-Roland and is freeware or has a demo-version?
You can expand some sections of TAL-Noisemaker, if that helps, and if it's the same problem: https://tal-software.com/products/tal-noisemaker

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KVRAF
10393 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:30 am

I double checked Tal Noisemaker and i don't see any problem. When collapsing/expanding the sections of Noisemaker, the window doesn't change size, it all stays visible within the same window.

chk071
KVRAF
22811 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:37 am

Ah... nevermind then, I guess it's the wrong VSTi to test this then.

ftnwo2012
KVRer
24 posts since 4 Dec, 2012

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:11 am

Oooops, sorry, i forgotten this topic a little bit and I apologize.
Well, i have the Noisemaker and, effectively, there is no problem with it because the original window size is the same from the start.
In a fixed size of the window, you can make appear some options. If you don't make appear any options the bottom of the window is empty as in attached picture. But some vst are supposed to be able to grow but doesn't work.
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ftnwo2012
KVRer
24 posts since 4 Dec, 2012

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:21 am

Here is an example with a vst roland jv 1080.
On the 1st photo, the keyboard is not selected and the window is "full".
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On the second, the keyboard is selected and the window is truncated at the bottom and the keyboard does not appear.
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e-crooner
KVRian
1133 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:27 pm

And Luxonix, too?
When it happens with plugins of various developers, maybe it is a Mulab issue.

e-crooner
KVRian
1133 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:32 pm

ftnwo2012 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:21 am
Here is an example with a vst roland jv 1080.
On the 1st photo, the keyboard is not selected and the window is "full".
R1.jpg
On the second, the keyboard is selected and the window is truncated at the bottom and the keyboard does not appear.
R2.jpg
Just an idea, have you tried closing the GUI after selecting keyboard. Sometimes size changes only take effect after reopening a GUI.

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KVRAF
10393 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:26 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:27 pm
And Luxonix, too?
Is this a question or a statement?
When it happens with plugins of various developers, maybe it is a Mulab issue.
Which plugin from another dev (ie. non Roland) also has this resize issue?

e-crooner
KVRian
1133 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: How to see the bottom of the window of a vst?

Post Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:30 pm

Ravity from Luxonix, see the screen shots in this thread.

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