Comparison: square wave synthesis

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Hello,

Here is a short comparison of the square wave in a few synthesizers. As good as the sound is, I find that SynthMaster's synthesis has room for improvement and I would like to have some input by kv331 about this.

I tried to generate a pure square wave, removing all possible effects on each synthesizer. I am no expert at any of these synthesizers, so I hope I didn't overlook something. If I did, I will be glad to correct this post.

Tyrell N6
Some overshoot on the up front, but none on the down front.
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Diva demo (preset Jupiter 8 )
No overshoot or undershoot.
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SynthMaster 2.7 ("best" quality)
osc2 is off, and both osc1 & osc2 on layer 2 are off. Global effects are off too.
The spot on the down front is a display artefact, as will be seen below.
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Novation V-Station
The signal is a perfect Fourier sum.
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Zooming in,

V-station:
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SynthMaster:
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We can see that the waveshape is made of triangles on SynthMaster, rather than sinusoids.
This gives the impression that the sampling rate is lower on SynthMaster than on V-station (this is in "best" quality). It also has some phase distortions, while V-station's square wave is perfectly symmetric, meaning only pair harmonics.

To be clear, my intention here is certainly not to bash SynthMaster, which is my main synthesizer. But since kv331 has a thread asking for improvements on v3, I think that sound quality is the most important improvement that could be made and concentrating his efforts on it is worthwhile.
I have a feeling that square wave shows a lot about how oscillators generate waveshapes, and that the purer they are, the better the sound will be down the audio effects chain, as there will be less unwanted harmonics, especially when signals are mixed and matched.
Even though I don't expect the synthesis to match that of Diva, let alone a perfect square wave, I wish it was at least as good as V-station.

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Synthmaster uses wave files to generate it's osc I believe, so it's not really fair to say there is something wrong with its osc. Try importing another wav and see if the same thing happens. I'm guessing it won't. If you don't like the sound of the default square use another one.

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Chandlerhimself wrote:Synthmaster uses wave files to generate it's osc I believe, so it's not really fair to say there is something wrong with its osc. Try importing another wav and see if the same thing happens. I'm guessing it won't. If you don't like the sound of the default square use another one.
Correct!

http://soundbytesmag.net/synthmasterosc ... oseuplook/
ABEFLGMOPPRRST :phones:

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Interesting. So all the basic waves are files, even the basic sine/square/pulse ? That seems a bit odd to me.

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there's 2 squares don't? or is my Synthmaster with a bug?

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But the first doesn't seems to be a square ... o.O

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Yeah I have the same thing.
I'm not sure why the 1st one is called square, though. These shapes also appear under the Mopho subcategory, while the real basic shapes appear under "Basic" submenu.

edit: ah okay, one can assign the default shapes in the Settings.
Last edited by lolilol1975 on Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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edit: the bad preset bug exists since at least august
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8&t=444247

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We have "ideal" square wave under "Basic" category.

Then we have the "default" square wave which is sampled from DSI Mopho.

Then, in v2.9 we added all the factory waveforms/wavetables from SynthMaster One, so now we have waveforms from:

Alesis Andromeda
Korg MS 20 Mini
Moog Subphatty
Roland SH 101
Boomstar SEM

All analog waveforms are sampled at 3 semitone intervals. I don't know if other synth use this method, they might be using only a sample taken at a single note (around C0-C1)
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