Orion users - how do you use your sends and inserts?

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It all started in another thread in another when...
and I got to wondering...

how do you set up your effects in Orion?

What do you put in the sends and inserts on the mixer?
Do you use the inserts on the master?
Do you use the master eq's before streaming?

I'll get the ball rolling...
and this isn't intended to be a "you're way's wrong, my way's right" thread and there's no hidden agenda at work here.

Mixer

Sends - I put things like chorus, delays and other effects that I may want to use on more than one instrument and that I might want to control the amount of that effect differently per instrument.

Inserts - I'll put something like a dub delay or whatever in the top and possibly (especially for drums) a compressor in the bottom one.

EQ's - I very rarely use the soft saturation option but I like the post fx option. I tend to tweak each instrument to a different eq value so everything sits in it's own space.

Volume - I try to keep the signal just so as it's in the orange on the loudest instrument, then adjust the other levels around that. Some instruments don't have an onboard volume so the volume needs to be adjusted in Orion itself.
This can mean that some instruments are getting low input signals but if I turn them up, they're out of balance with the other stuff.

Buses - sometimes use them, sometimes don't. Useful if you're doing an effect heavy tune and run out of inserts and sends. :lol:


Master

I keep an eye on the insert volume levels in here and adjust here and on the mixer as necessary. I never let it go above orange.
I don't tend to use the eq's in these bits.

In the buses, I put - well, whatever, really.
Sometimes I'll add more compressors, or just pile effects on top of each other to see what happens.
Again, I don't tend to use the eq's here and keep the volume of each bus within the orange.
I often end up in a battle with the mixer volumes over precedence - same with the insert volumes here, actually. :lol:

In the master itself, I've been doing this:
Top slot - Vintage Warmer (used to put endorphin or Blockfish here before I had VW)
Second slot - if needs be, a little tiny tiny touch of reverb.
Third slot, or second slot if no verb - either a compressor or a limiter.

The eq's I sometimes play with so the mix really comes to life.

I generally set it to 'analog' before I stream as well.
Then I stream at 24 bit, all samplers to highest quality, all files to one, import to audio editor and boost it a little more there.

*Phew.*
I'm really curious to know how other people set theirs up. :D

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Looks like you've answered all your own questions. LOL. Cool to hear that you are using Orion Platinum. First off, I find that having a screen resolution of 1152x764 really takes advantage of the already bountiful workspace in Orion. Reaktor fits like a charm in it. I'm sort of an intermediate with OP. I have a solid working knowledge of it but need to learn more in the area of automation. As far as EFX is concerned, every project is different and so will be the added EFX arrangements. There's really no pat setup concerning that. My favorite thing about OP is it's sound drivers. Really nice. And I like the low CPU overhead which may explain the good sound. Also, it has the best piano roll I've seen, and it has Rewire which works seamlessly with my Adobe Audition.
My only real complaint is in having to switch back and forth between windows. This can be a bit frustrating when you're trying to tweak a VSTi while automating in piano roll. But overall, it's my VST of choice. Right off I knew it was what I was looking for; an audio based sequencer that is user-friendly without compromise to quality and with great sound. What more could one want? Thanks for the post.
Last edited by Ian Stone on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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I fill up the buses quickly.. I wish there were more..

I rarely put inserts on the sends.. I just right click on the sends knobs and select a plugin.. hehe.. i use a curveEQ or two (when needed) on the master with a limiter.. though that changes from song to song..

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how do you set up your effects in Orion?



Mixer

Sends - Dealys and Reverbs, occasionally a chorus

Inserts - Distortion 8) Roundpan, lofi stuff, sometimes phaser

EQ's - General tweaking to avoid saturation of same freqs or to kill prob freqs. Usually some tweaks to get a diff sound than normal.

Volume - All tracks levels to suit, so they sit in the mix correctly

Buses - Vocoder, apart from that, never use them

Master - never use it


Basically general mixing stuff, no mastering FX, or even compression, i do all that in SF.


Works for me, dont care if its right or wrong.
Last edited by Kriminal on Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Thanks ZZ.
Yeah - I use 1152 x 864 as well. :)

But no, this is a genuine question as it appears there are different ways to set things up.
OBviously the effects are gonna change per song, but what I really wanna know is where folks put their compressors, if they even use any and, particularly, what they use in the Master sends in the overall master volume channel itself.
If people have different working methods (and I'm guessing yours is the same as mine by the looks of it :lol: ) then I just think it'd be interesting to compare and contrast and maybe try different methods myself, that I may not have considered. :D

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Kriminal wrote:Works for me, dont care if its right or wrong.
That's totally the spirit of the thread. :D

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Ive seen tracks by Orion users that have about 10 delays and 5 reverbs on them. After deleting most of them, it sounded the same :wink:

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Kriminal, have you used Orion for all of your tracks? I haven't heard any of your music yet. What do you suggest I check out first? I'd be curious to hear your work in OP.

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Kriminal wrote:how do you set up your effects in Orion?



Mixer

Sends - Dealys and Reverbs, occasionally a chorus

Inserts - Roundpan, lofi stuff, sometimes phaser

EQ's - General tweaking to avoid saturation of same freqs or to kill prob freqs. Usually some tweaks to get a diff sound than normal.

Volume - All tracks levels to suit, so they sit in the mix correctly

Buses - Vocoder, apart from that, never use them

Master - never use it


Basically general mixing stuff, no mastering FX, or even compression, i do all that in SF.


Works for me, dont care if its right or wrong.
Same exact methodology here.

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Kriminal wrote:Ive seen tracks by Orion users that have about 10 delays and 5 reverbs on them. After deleting most of them, it sounded the same :wink:
:-o
Now who on earth would do such a thing? :hihi:

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ZZ wrote:Kriminal, have you used Orion for all of your tracks? I haven't heard any of your music yet. What do you suggest I check out first? I'd be curious to hear your work in OP.
Everything, since 2000.

Dunno what to recommend, what do you like?

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Glassback wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Ive seen tracks by Orion users that have about 10 delays and 5 reverbs on them. After deleting most of them, it sounded the same :wink:
:-o
Now who on earth would do such a thing? :hihi:
My lips are sealed :lol:

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oh i see..

in that case.. I use a reverb on a send and a tempodelay on another send.. thats most all songs :lol:

drums and bass send to bus.. some compression.. maybe saturated.. and eq'd..
leads set A sent to a different bus ..eq.. occasionally compression..
leads set B sent to yet another unique bus ..eq.. yadda yadda
effects and stabs sent to final bus.. eq.. delay compression occasionally..

on the individual inserts on specific instrument console strips I do the most compression.. on the busses is usually a much lighter compression.. I like compression :lol:

flanger/phasers/chorus/etc usually on individual inserts..

sometimes I set up a specific bus with no effects or eq.. just with a sampledelay plugin.. so I can sync stuff that doesnt sync.. though then I end up losing a bus :cry:

master channel has eq and limiter.. occasionally exciter..

though I like to work with a pyramid approach to amounts of an effect.. more on individual, moderate/light on buses, and litle on master :hihi:

however there are always exceptions to this rule :P

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sends=delays/reverb/ie anythin you may want on the track as a whole for placement

inserts=phasers and slightly more destructo fx like distortions and manglers and such

mastermixer

the send inserts are good for stuff like manglers as you can then automate the send knob on the main mixer so it comes in and out kinda nice for some stuff

the buses,racking up chains of fx 8)

master output-for mp3s just whack a vintage warmer on it and call it a day

for cds leave it dry and let my engineer sort it :P
:ud:

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10 delays i can understand ... but 5 reverbs ?!?

(BTW - orion sucks a big one)

slainte :P rob

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