What happens if it passes march and no t2?

[nuisance sonore]

Unfortunatly I agree. The only talk about an early march releas that I have heard of is at this forum. Nothing at the Tracktion webpage.

I'm guessing you haven't read this on the Mackie Tracktion2 page, and I quote:

"T2 is the first version of the acclaimed software that will be sold "out of the box" in retail stores and will be available in early March 2005."

[bewing77]

Unfortunatly I agree. The only talk about an early march releas that I have heard of is at this forum. Nothing at the Tracktion webpage.

I'm guessing you haven't read this on the Mackie Tracktion2 page, and I quote:

"T2 is the first version of the acclaimed software that will be sold "out of the box" in retail stores and will be available in early March 2005."

Actually I had missed that part. Well anyways, that means it should be released in the next week or so. I still find it strange that no date has been set and that no details has been given about the price for previous owners. The mackie page also says "This pricing will be made available along with a Public-Demo download in the weeks following NAMM" and since that part has already been broken I don't see why the part about an early march release would be kept either, especially since, like already said, early march is turning into mid march very rapidly.

I am sory to sound this negative, I am just a bit dissapointed. Tracktion hasn't been updated in 8 months, and no new features have been added for a year. I love the philosophy of Tracktion, but it is lacking in features, and nothing has happened to remedy this since I bought it. I still hope that mackie will keep their word and release it in "early march" and that it will be as good as it seems, but I don't really see it happening. Just to few days left of "early march"

[pHz]

Actually I had missed that part. Well anyways, that means it should be released in the next week or so. I still find it strange that no date has been set and that no details has been given about the price for previous owners. The mackie page also says "This pricing will be made available along with a Public-Demo download in the weeks following NAMM" and since that part has already been broken I don't see why the part about an early march release would be kept either, especially since, like already said, early march is turning into mid march very rapidly.

bottom line ... T2 is DEFINITELY on its way and even if we dont get it by the march 'deadline' it wont be the 1st bit of software to slip past its initially mooted release date ... id rather (and im sure most customers would too) have a more comprehensively tested and more bug-free release that was a LITTLE later than expected than an on-time release that ended up causing mackie / jules LOADS of support issues ... no ???

I am sory to sound this negative, I am just a bit dissapointed. Tracktion hasn't been updated in 8 months, and no new features have been added for a year. I love the philosophy of Tracktion, but it is lacking in features, and nothing has happened to remedy this since I bought it. I still hope that mackie will keep their word and release it in "early march" and that it will be as good as it seems, but I don't really see it happening. Just to few days left of "early march"

see above and try to be patient ...

slainte rob

[bewing77]

bottom line ... T2 is DEFINITELY on its way and even if we dont get it by the march 'deadline' it wont be the 1st bit of software to slip past its initially mooted release date ... id rather (and im sure most customers would too) have a more comprehensively tested and more bug-free release that was a LITTLE later than expected than an on-time release that ended up causing mackie / jules LOADS of support issues ... no ???

Of course, but why is it that almost every single time a piece of software is about to be released the release date keeps getting pushed forward? And every time the same argument comes up; "it's better to have a completed product...". Yes it is, but why then announce that the product will be released a certain date (or range of dates as in this case). My "real" job is developing custom software solutions for businesses and frequently have to meet deadlines. Claiming to be able to reach one and then push it forward would get me out of a job pretty quick; it would simply be a sign of poor professionalism on my behalf. Why is it then that developers of consumer software can't do the same thing?

see above and try to be patient ...

slainte rob

Tried beeing patient for a year.. It's not like I think my post is going to change anything, just wanted to say that a) I don't belive we will see a March release of Tracktion and b) Atleast one customer has been lost due to having to pick up another solution with the features I require and Tracktion lacks.

[valley]

Of course, but why is it that almost every single time a piece of software is about to be released the release date keeps getting pushed forward? And every time the same argument comes up; "it's better to have a completed product...". Yes it is, but why then announce that the product will be released a certain date (or range of dates as in this case).

If a bug is found, you have two choices - ship it, or hold it back and fix it.

I, for one, am a little tired of the "if it compiles, ship it" mentality of some software companies, so I'll accept that occassionaly software that seems to be complete, turns out to need a few more weeks work.

[bewing77]

Of course, but why is it that almost every single time a piece of software is about to be released the release date keeps getting pushed forward? And every time the same argument comes up; "it's better to have a completed product...". Yes it is, but why then announce that the product will be released a certain date (or range of dates as in this case).

If a bug is found, you have two choices - ship it, or hold it back and fix it.

I, for one, am a little tired of the "if it compiles, ship it" mentality of some software companies, so I'll accept that occassionaly software that seems to be complete, turns out to need a few more weeks work.

Well then the company announced a to early release date in the first place. It would be better to say it's gonna be done late April and then make everyone happy with an early April release then to dissapoint people. Consumer products is the only part of the computer world where a company or person can get away with continously pushing ahead deadlines etc.

No real point arguing though since no one will change their mind. I think Mackie has done a pretty poor job of keeping us informed: First alot of hype up until NAMM, and a grand revealing of the features, price and release time, then nothing. Of course people will start to wonder.

[pHz]

this is no defence and no excuse (more a recognition of reality) ... but this isnt the first time and DEFINITELY wont be the last time that audio software has been pushed back ...

... TBH thinking back over the last couple of years (most recently ... minimonsta anyone ??? ) id say even if T2 is a month late everyone involved has done well ...

slainte rob

[duncanm]

Of course, but why is it that almost every single time a piece of software is about to be released the release date keeps getting pushed forward? And every time the same argument comes up; "it's better to have a completed product...". Yes it is, but why then announce that the product will be released a certain date (or range of dates as in this case).

If a bug is found, you have two choices - ship it, or hold it back and fix it.

I, for one, am a little tired of the "if it compiles, ship it" mentality of some software companies, so I'll accept that occassionaly software that seems to be complete, turns out to need a few more weeks work.

True, but as the man says, if you're not sure you're going to get it out on time, then don't bother hyping it. Saying that, it's not the end of March yet. Saying THAT, I kind of thought that the demo would have been released by now, given the fact that NAMM was months back now.

[whyterabbyt]

bewing77 quoth My "real" job is developing custom software solutions for businesses and frequently have to meet deadlines. Claiming to be able to reach one and then push it forward would get me out of a job pretty quick; it would simply be a sign of poor professionalism on my behalf. Why is it then that developers of consumer software can't do the same thing?[/quote]

Because you are under contract to write a specific application with that specific deadline. If you can't fulfill that, you shouldn't have opted to tender for that contract. You are being paid to meet that contract. In a sense, the 'risk' you are taking is that you can finish in time.

Consumer software companies have no such contracts. The estimates they give of release dates are purely that; estimates. They have no contractual obligation to meet their estimated deadline. They produce a product, then sell it. If they don't produce it 'soon enough' then it may or may not affect their sales, but that is part of the 'risk' that they are taking; that any development delays will not affect sales.

As a professional programmer, you really should be able to have worked that one out.

[Lunch Money]

Not to mention,

It's only March 7...

Mackie said March...

I don't know what people thought they were expecting for 'being informed'. Honestly, I don't. Did you think Mackie were going to roll out every last detail, complete with screenshots, before the release date? Don't be silly. We've been given an estimate (one that has not yet been passed, I hasten to add), we've been given a fairly comprehensive feature list, and we have the daily presence of a Mackie representative.

What the heck more could anyone ask for? I swear, you people drive me NUTS some days.

Greg

[nuisance sonore]

What the heck more could anyone ask for?

Greg

How about a beta release for registered users of T1? Heck, everybody seems to have one except me

[Lunch Money]

I guess that *IS* one thing that you could ask for that qualifies as 'more'.

Greg

[rpc9943]

mackie said early march.

RonC

[pHz]

its march 7th here ... dont know how the ronCian calendar works though ???

slainte rob

[Lunch Money]

Exactly. So no point getting your panties in a knot until at LEAST March 14.

And at that point in time, take another moment to think that a bug could have popped up or that a contract needed to be signed before packaging (these things still have to be printed and packaged...) and so forth. It's life. And in the meantime, make some damn music.

Greg