Reason MClass?

[Hovmod]

to add to popsychs rewire gripe list:
4) you have to close reason to close your project or host.

That's my biggest problem with it. You have to close Reason first, then open your host, then reopen Reason and your song (which isn't a small thing if you use the Reason Drum Kits) to get rewired, and then close Reason first when you're done. ReWire is stable, but this is a high price to pay for it.

As for the other points, I don't agree with any of them. Saving two files isn't that much of a hassle, and switching is certainly not that annoying. When you want to work on the GUI of a plug you have to click somewhere too. Reason's just a click away. I ALT+TAB to switch, which doesn't work for VST GUIs.
And I actually prefer the way Reason has to keep going when rewired. Reason as stand-alone stops playback when the CPU load is critical, while it keeps playing with pops and crackles if rewired. And some times that's OK, because it's the rendered file that needs to sound good. If I get crackling while recording notes it doesn't really matter. Having playback stop when you're "in the zone" is more annoying...

[drez]

I just open Live, then open Reason, then I never close either one until I'm done for the day. I keep my reason file in the same directory as my Live file, so its not hard to find, and I'm done. Not a hassle. And yep, ALT+TAB works a peach.

[popsych]

I just open Live, then open Reason, then I never close either one until I'm done for the day. I keep my reason file in the same directory as my Live file, so its not hard to find, and I'm done. Not a hassle. And yep, ALT+TAB works a peach.

I see it now . . .
I was wrong . . .
I apologize . . .

Reason is the ultimate and best implementation of software with NO margin for improvement.

How could i ever have missed such a thing.
I bow in front of the great props

Thank god for you Illuminati's that showed me the light.

[drez]

A synth nothing : appart from better automation, and using it in hosts with no rewire 2, e.g. logic 5.5.1 which i am using. An effect - Well i don't know if rewire three has it but you can't route the master's audio to the slave's mixer can you ?

Well, I didn't ask about effects because I know that won't work. Would be nice tho

I guess I just don't notice the need to route from Live back into Reason. If I need an "effect" in Live, I just use a VST. Basically I use Live for Audio only, so I just don't need to shove it into Reason. Yeah, the effects in Reason like the Scream4 and RV7000 are top notch, but there are alot of good VSTs out there as well.

Talk about complicated....could you imagine routing audio and midi back AND forth between two programs? You were griping about having to open 2 programs and 2 files...how are you going to keep track of where you're audio is coming or going from? Audio loop problems would abound.

Rewire is less efficient because :

1. I have to maintain 2 files as mentioned above

Is this really a big deal? I mean, you have to search your drive and directories for samples and whatnot all the time. You open Live, you open a file. You open Reason, you open a file. Then you're done.

2. I have to have 2 hosts open - RAM and CPU not as efficient

Reason as a rewire slave eats no CPU when it is sitting still. It is by far the most CPU efficient application I have ever used, in rewire mode or not.

3. I have to switch between both these hosts so i can work on my song.

I find ALT+TAB to work faster than having to click through multiple paths in the VST host to get to the VST I need. I ALT+TAB over to reason and I'm immediately in the rack to do what I want. For me, I actually work faster this way.

Popsych, I definitely see your points. I agree that the sequencer could use an overhaul for those that need more functions. I used to think rewire3 would be cool with bi-directional audio, but now I just think it would be to unwieldy. That's too bad that Logic 5.5 doesn't support Rewire2

[John Vulich]

Did you get to play with the later beta's? The presets for the combinator that came in the RC's were astounding! Because you can automate any parameter now in the combinator instead of relying only what the CV capable parameters in the back of the units can do, more things are at your disposal...just like EnergyXT.

I've only played around with the first beta. One of the other things about the beta that really bugged me was how they changed the way that the windows work. Is it still that way?

I'm sure I'll give the demo another try later on. However, I wish the would make it so that 2 version cohabitate a little better on one hard drive. It was a real PITA to have to do a re-install of 2.5 after testing the beta.

I'm with you. Live 4 is awesome and the automation is awesome. For me, it is the perfect companion to Reason because it handles all of the audio tasks and the Rewire implementation is flawless.

Yeah, I'm really big on phase style compositions (similar to Alio Die, Vidna Obmana et al) so I like how easy is is to create automation clips that are different lengths. Truly brilliant design.

[John Vulich]

I dabble in (for want of better term) Dark Ambient...

big surprise...

Why?

[soulkraka]

errrrr....because it seems to be the "genre" of choice for most KVRians lately.

I was j/k BTW.

[drez]

I've only played around with the first beta. One of the other things about the beta that really bugged me was how they changed the way that the windows work. Is it still that way?

Unfortunately, yes the windows are like that still. Totally basackwards way of doing them. It would be nice to have a "do this the old way" option.

I'm sure I'll give the demo another try later on. However, I wish the would make it so that 2 version cohabitate a little better on one hard drive. It was a real PITA to have to do a re-install of 2.5 after testing the beta.

Definitely give it another go. Seriously, the patches that they had in the Release Candidates are amazing.

Yeah, I'm really big on phase style compositions (similar to Alio Die, Vidna Obmana et al) so I like how easy is is to create automation clips that are different lengths. Truly brilliant design.

I just wish that I could "pin" like 4 or 5 different automation lines onto a clip that were different colors. That would be heaven.

Oh yes, and more than 128 parms...tho that will be hard for them to do without a popup. With Live 4,I don't that that I can automate the bazillion parameters in somthing like Albino.