Hello all,
I am wanting to do something different with my voice in my LivePA performances.
I want to be able to sing or speak into the microphone and have the phrase I sing/speak to be sampled and looped, BUT also adding "bizarre, weird or unusual" processing to it.
My goal is to sing/speak some recogizable phrase at the beginiing of my set, and from time to time (whenever the moment is right, or during a breakdown for example) bring the fader up on the channel with the "bizarre, weird and unusual" vocal FX and each time the vocal phrase can be heard as contorting, morphing and shifting into....something else.
What plugs would be cool for this gang?
Bizarre, weird or unusual VOCAL effects
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
I can recommend all FX ever made, as most when pushed to their limits will change a signal substantially, but that likely wouldn't help you.
Weird in what way? Faster, slower, filtered, distorted, etc? Spectral plugins like Richard Dobson's phase vocoder plugins can change sound quite a bit, but that might not be what you are after. More details needed.
Weird in what way? Faster, slower, filtered, distorted, etc? Spectral plugins like Richard Dobson's phase vocoder plugins can change sound quite a bit, but that might not be what you are after. More details needed.
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- KVRist
- 242 posts since 11 Jul, 2004 from Melbourne, Australia
check out lucifer. it's pretty easy to loop and mangle vocals in all kinds of weird ways with that.
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- KVRAF
- 8074 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Especially Anechoic Room Simulator!shamann wrote:I can recommend all FX ever made, as most when pushed to their limits will change a signal substantially...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 278 posts since 19 Nov, 2002 from Bloomington, Indiana USA
I think Clearscreen is going in the direction I want.
But I don't know.... I was being vague for a reason.
I guess I'm not sure what I want. I just want something different than the usual fare.
Ableton Live was suggested and that is already part of my rig. I also use Energy XT and with it's routing capabilities, I'll be able to really mess around to the nth degree.
But I know there's some really unusual processing that I haven't thought of yet and I'm hoping someone will open my eyes to some different possibilities.
I'm possibly thinking in the lines of granulation, or some kind of randomized chopping of the audio stream, combined with filtering perhaps, but something a bit more unconventional such as a comb filter.
I guess I just want someone to wow me with some "out of this world" plugin which does things different than anything else out there.
But I don't know.... I was being vague for a reason.
I guess I'm not sure what I want. I just want something different than the usual fare.
Ableton Live was suggested and that is already part of my rig. I also use Energy XT and with it's routing capabilities, I'll be able to really mess around to the nth degree.
But I know there's some really unusual processing that I haven't thought of yet and I'm hoping someone will open my eyes to some different possibilities.
I'm possibly thinking in the lines of granulation, or some kind of randomized chopping of the audio stream, combined with filtering perhaps, but something a bit more unconventional such as a comb filter.
I guess I just want someone to wow me with some "out of this world" plugin which does things different than anything else out there.
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- KVRAF
- 2460 posts since 3 Oct, 2002 from SF CA USA NA Earth
Tiny God Four-Way Zone.Exit Zero wrote:I guess I just want someone to wow me with some "out of this world" plugin which does things different than anything else out there.
Don't do it my way.
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- KVRian
- 864 posts since 9 Jul, 2001 from Chester County PA, USA
I'd recommend looking into the various plugins at SmartElectronix which do a great job of going off into the not-so-ordinary. You'll find a wide selection of stuff there that'll do all manner of bizarre audio mangling in the coolest of ways.Exit Zero wrote:I'm possibly thinking in the lines of granulation, or some kind of randomized chopping of the audio stream, combined with filtering perhaps, but something a bit more unconventional such as a comb filter.
I guess I just want someone to wow me with some "out of this world" plugin which does things different than anything else out there.
While there check out Koen's KTGranulator, and all of the various ones from DFX as well.
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- KVRAF
- 3506 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
In agreement with shamann. It's best not to think of effects as serving one particular purpose if you want to get the most out of them. Take (as in your case) plugs dedicated to vocals. They're all boring as f**k. You're immediately stuck with Cher style auto-tune and a few crappy harmonisers.
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Just to get you started though, try something like a flanger before KTGranulator. End result, the grains will all have a peculiar, quick changing 'hollow' character without the typical sweeping sounds.
You could make the example you've given no problem by just setting up a chain going 'LP/HP filter ---> comb filter ---> granulator'. Just whack an LFO on the frequency of each filter and you'd be laughing.
Ever thought of daisy chaining a few? Original effects come from interesting plug in chains, not interesting plug ins. eXT should sort you out there. Bust out any old plugs you have and go crazy drawing linesExit Zero wrote:I'm possibly thinking in the lines of granulation, or some kind of randomized chopping of the audio stream, combined with filtering perhaps, but something a bit more unconventional such as a comb filter.
I guess I just want someone to wow me with some "out of this world" plugin which does things different than anything else out there.
.Just to get you started though, try something like a flanger before KTGranulator. End result, the grains will all have a peculiar, quick changing 'hollow' character without the typical sweeping sounds.
You could make the example you've given no problem by just setting up a chain going 'LP/HP filter ---> comb filter ---> granulator'. Just whack an LFO on the frequency of each filter and you'd be laughing.
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- KVRist
- 44 posts since 3 Mar, 2004
try running your phrase through two instances of smartelectronix supatrigger, one panned hard left and the other hard right. then play with the settings. and send that through other things (before or after). chop the phrase into individual words and apply pitchbend to each one separatley. use reverb on the last word and pitch bend that.
don't be lazy.
don't be lazy.
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
The story so far is that your first stop should be everything Smartelectronix.
After that, here's a list of plugin makers that do a lot of top quality free effects for unusual transformations:
For commercial plugins, there are a lot of options, but check out Audio Damage for some really excellent creative and low-cost effects. And have a look at Plogue Bidule (check out the news page for the massive list of new modules).
After that, here's a list of plugin makers that do a lot of top quality free effects for unusual transformations:
- Tiny God
NDC
Chaotikmind
Jonas Norberg
Mp3some
ConcreteFX (check out the freebies)
NullPointer
Richard Dobson
12th floor
Rekliner
FXpansion (see snippet and stutter)
NuSofting (see Glitch One)
ISM
Phasic
Subminimal
Exponent (Delta series)
Betabugs (especially Flofi)
Mutagene
Oli Larkin
xoxos
For commercial plugins, there are a lot of options, but check out Audio Damage for some really excellent creative and low-cost effects. And have a look at Plogue Bidule (check out the news page for the massive list of new modules).
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- KVRAF
- 2356 posts since 30 Sep, 2003 from Sunny Staffordshire
Hears a couple of interesting things Iv been trying:
- Send 90'ish% to Bufferoveride and tweak. Maybe stick a BP filter on the send. Sounds mad, cuz you have you normal vocal up front and this stuttering bullshit in the back ground!
- Send your vocal to a reverb then on the reverb channel apply other FX. For example, I stacked up a big harmonised chord on the reverb buss and it was like a ghostly choir singing in the background! Also, env filters are interesting cuz the reverb moves around with the amp env of the recording.
- Feedback delays can be good for creating various types of effect. For example, on the last word in a phrase, activate the delay with loads of filter resonance and have it gradually build up towards the next phrase. You can also send the delay signal to a pan mod, verb etc and have it feedback into ambience. This works great for ambient breakdowns in dance tracks.
- I know vocoders arent anything new, but maybe try some spectral cross synthesis or convolution? There are plgus that does this stuff in realtime so that shouldnt be a problem.
- If you have any old analog processors get them involved too! Weird old mics, filters, fuzz boxes, ringmods etc all can be used to make wonderful vocal treatments that sound very different to computer generated processing.
- SFX Machine, need i say more!
- Send 90'ish% to Bufferoveride and tweak. Maybe stick a BP filter on the send. Sounds mad, cuz you have you normal vocal up front and this stuttering bullshit in the back ground!
- Send your vocal to a reverb then on the reverb channel apply other FX. For example, I stacked up a big harmonised chord on the reverb buss and it was like a ghostly choir singing in the background! Also, env filters are interesting cuz the reverb moves around with the amp env of the recording.
- Feedback delays can be good for creating various types of effect. For example, on the last word in a phrase, activate the delay with loads of filter resonance and have it gradually build up towards the next phrase. You can also send the delay signal to a pan mod, verb etc and have it feedback into ambience. This works great for ambient breakdowns in dance tracks.
- I know vocoders arent anything new, but maybe try some spectral cross synthesis or convolution? There are plgus that does this stuff in realtime so that shouldnt be a problem.
- If you have any old analog processors get them involved too! Weird old mics, filters, fuzz boxes, ringmods etc all can be used to make wonderful vocal treatments that sound very different to computer generated processing.
- SFX Machine, need i say more!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 278 posts since 19 Nov, 2002 from Bloomington, Indiana USA
Great suggestions so far!! Keep em' coming.
Please keep in mind that these plugz should be able to be used in a live performance setting. I won't want to edit samples, or chop them up manually during a live set for example.
The convolution idea is very intriguing. What plugz out there do spectral cross synthesis or convolution in real time?
Please keep in mind that these plugz should be able to be used in a live performance setting. I won't want to edit samples, or chop them up manually during a live set for example.
The convolution idea is very intriguing. What plugz out there do spectral cross synthesis or convolution in real time?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I suggest using Elevayta's Clone Boy for a multitude of creative possibilities.
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
Yes, it is! Check out what Lucifer can do with a single vocal sample in the demo mp3 I posted in this thread (the link's in the fourth post from the top).Clearscreen wrote:check out lucifer. it's pretty easy to loop and mangle vocals in all kinds of weird ways with that.
Bye,
Steve