Tracktion Software

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:11 pm

I am having troubles with the same... I have 8 tracks of midi sequence in tracktion. On each track i insert a rewire plug and select reason.

Now the properties for that plug include :

input channel for midi -> midi bus

there is an option to select bus 1 (which has bo further options) or bus 6 which has the reason instruments to further choose from. I fail to understand this implimentation

also with one reason session, I get the option of choosing Bus 1 (nothing) or bus 6 (with reason instruments) and ALSO a bus 7 , which has only one reason instrument, in this case a redrum machine. This redrum machine is not available with Bus 6...

The other issue is that of the return signal from Reason.

What is happening is that each plug also has an output channels to use option. Now since i have all reason instruments connected to the reason LR bus, this is what i want to monitor. However, in tracktion, i have each channel recieving the LR bus and thus taking the level of the Reason sum signal to distortion.

What is the correct way of implimenting rewire with reason in Tracktion ?

Thanks for sorting this out for me...

Sidhu

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:46 pm

Two pointers which I hope will help (and I'm much more of a Reason man than FL, for the record!):

1) Reason as a ReWire slave always defaults to MIDI channel 6. I'm not sure why but this is the same in other hosts too. So select MIDI out bus 6 on all the tracks. Then from the drop down list underneath, select the specific Reason instrument you want to send info to.

2) If you want to bring audio back from each instrument you need to scrap Reason's mixer and wire each Reason module directly into the Hardware Interface in Reason. This has 64 outputs. In Tracktion you select which output you want coming into each ReWire track. In effect this means that from within Tracktion you can run up to 32 stereo or 64 mono Reason devices, each with its own sequencing lane in Tracktion. And then you can add/automate VST effects and do all your mixing in Tracktion.

A very powerful combination!

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:58 pm

i dont have reason ... but i think i ought to look into this rewire business at some point ...

slainte

rob

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:01 pm

pHz wrote:i dont have reason ... but i think i ought to look into this rewire business at some point ...

slainte rob

Do any of the beta testers use Reason? Tell you what, if Mackie buys me a Reason 3 licence, I'll test it thoroughly with T2..?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:01 pm

pHz wrote:i dont have reason ... but i think i ought to look into this rewire business at some point ...

slainte rob

Reason is certainly a great one-stop solution for samplers/synths to use within Tracktion. Combined with the plug bundle in T2, I think you would have all your bases pretty well covered.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:03 pm

platinumears wrote: [Do any of the beta testers use Reason? Tell you what, if Mackie buys me a Reason 3 licence, I'll test it thoroughly with T2..?

Tracktion 1.6 does have a bug with Reason/ReWire which is quite annoying. Making sure this is fixed in T2 is certainly a priority for those of us working with this configuration.

If you want me to check it out of course... only too happy

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:14 pm

Actually i think we do have a Reason using beta tester, and IIRC he said that bug was squashed..?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:07 pm

Let's hope so

chico.co.uk · Post by **chico.co.uk** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:15 pm

platinumears wrote:Actually i think we do have a Reason using beta tester, and IIRC he said that bug was squashed..?

You're really not getting this "NDA" business, are you?

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:17 pm

headquest wrote: 1) Reason as a ReWire slave always defaults to MIDI channel 6. I'm not sure why but this is the same in other hosts too. So select MIDI out bus 6 on all the tracks. Then from the drop down list underneath, select the specific Reason instrument you want to send info to.

I did not notice this with my past experience with reason. Whch was only with SX/Nuendo

headquest wrote: 2) If you want to bring audio back from each instrument you need to scrap Reason's mixer and wire each Reason module directly into the Hardware Interface in Reason. This has 64 outputs. In Tracktion you select which output you want coming into each ReWire track. In effect this means that from within Tracktion you can run up to 32 stereo or 64 mono Reason devices, each with its own sequencing lane in Tracktion. And then you can add/automate VST effects and do all your mixing in Tracktion.

A very powerful combination!

I agree that this is a very powerful combo... which i use while im mixing (i dont make music, only engineer)
but most often I start by first designing sound (i get in reson sessions to be mixed, and audio added to it once in a while). While changing/assigning sounds i like to avoid routing, get a rough mix ready, and then do the routing where needed. I find you routing from start a bit excessive and time consuming.

and having the LR return from reason coming to all chnnels of T1 is not going to work.

Still, why was I getting one instrument in an entire reason session at channel 7 ?

thanks...

drez · Post by **drez** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:11 pm

chico.co.uk wrote:
platinumears wrote:Actually i think we do have a Reason using beta tester, and IIRC he said that bug was squashed..?
You're really not getting this "NDA" business, are you?

NDA, Shmen-DA...I just want to know if this bug is fixed because I quit using Tracktion completely because of it. I work in Reason almost exclusively, but I'd like to take advantage of Tracktion for some VST work, but not with that annoying bug.

So is it officially squashed or not?

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:14 pm

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you..

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:19 pm

If this bug - and the MIDI note dropping one - hell, and the rendering one - aren't fixed, then I would definitely think twice before upgrading, because they have been reported SSOOO many times.

If they're not fixed it would cast some doubt on whether they ever could be at this stage.

Also, I seem to remember previous occasions when release notes claimed one or more of these bugs was fixed, but it subsequenntly turned out that they weren't fixed after all.... no doubt because of lack of adequate beta testing on those occasions. Let's hope this time is different!

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:46 pm

pHz wrote:i dont have reason ... but i think i ought to look into this rewire business at some point ...
slainte rob

well ... i have (bizarrely id never bothered even looking at rewire before tonight) ... playing with both bidule (who needs rack filters anyway ??? ) and live slaved to T(n) ...

... theres a whole f**king world of possibilities ive been ignoring isnt there ???

what a twat eh ???

slainte

rob

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:51 pm

*Some* people on KVR slag off ReWire as a protocol, and act as though it were the enemy of open standard plug-ins, which frankly is utter nonsense.

Yes, ReWire opens up an enormous range of new opportunities, and Tracktion has pretty good ReWire implementation over all (apart from the aforementioned bug, grrr...)

Plus, it is now the most widely adopted protocol out there.

But you're not a twat. There's all sorts of things my software setup is capable of that I've simply not gotten around to exploring. I think that with all the feature-laden programs available, this is just normal.

Enjoy your exploration of ReWire

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