Tracktion Software

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:59 pm

rpc9943 wrote: Keep logging on at those bisexual cybercafe clubs you are going to be at so you can tell us when T2 coming out ok?

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jeffn1 · Post by **jeffn1** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:25 pm

I think as a general rule, when someone comments on a piece of software (any software), they should disclose if they were a beta tester. I am not saying they have an obligation to puff up the software, but they generally get the product for free. It tends to create some feeling of loyalty to the software. Just let people know, that's all.

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valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:56 pm

jeffn1 wrote:I think as a general rule, when someone comments on a piece of software (any software), they should disclose if they were a beta tester.

I think as a general rule, when someone is under NDA, they should absolutely not disclose that they are a beta tester.

but they generally get the product for free.

I know nothing about free versions of Tracktion for beta testers. If Mackie feel like sending me a free version, obviously I'm not going to argue, but I'm not expecting one, and that was not the reason I agreed to be on the beta program.

jeffn1 · Post by **jeffn1** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:07 pm

valley wrote:
jeffn1 wrote:I think as a general rule, when someone comments on a piece of software (any software), they should disclose if they were a beta tester.
I think as a general rule, when someone is under NDA, they should absolutely not disclose that they are a beta tester.

but they generally get the product for free.
I know nothing about free versions of Tracktion for beta testers. If Mackie feel like sending me a free version, obviously I'm not going to argue, but I'm not expecting one, and that was not the reason I agreed to be on the beta program.

How does the "NDA" apply? Are you saying after the product is release, people can not disclose if they were beta testers?

I do not know about any contractual obligations, but IMHO people should know if a recommendation comes from someone who has received something from the developer or is affiliated by virtue of being on the beta team.

K-v-r is generally a pretty open and free place, but this information seems to be swept under the rug.

jeffn1

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valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:16 pm

jeffn1 wrote: How does the "NDA" apply? Are you saying after the product is release, people can not disclose if they were beta testers?

Some companies require that, yes. I don't know how anal Mackie is about such things. Technically my NDA suggests that I do not disclose anything that is not already publicly knmown. I've signed NDAs that were significantly more restrictive than this though, and they were *very* expicit about what I couldn't disclose.

However, that is all moot. Tracktion V2 has not yet been released, and all beta-testers are under NDA.

I do not know about any contractual obligations, but IMHO people should know if a recommendation comes from someone who has received something from the developer or is affiliated by virtue of being on the beta team.

I don't see that being a beta-tester has a lot to do with it. I've noticved a couple of snide postings today from a few idiots who seem to believe that beta-testers are just having fun at their expense. As I'm sure you arer aware, beta-testing is a pain-up-the-arse. I could have been writing music for the last few months, but instead I've been methodically testing each and every function I can remember to test. Trying 50 different variations on the theme of copy-paste automation curve is not fun. Anyone who signed up for the beta-program knew (or should have known) that what they were signing up for was a lot of work for no recompense. In general, I guess, people choose to do it, because it benefits them in the long run in that they know the software will work mostly as described.

If the few outed beta-testers seem a little much like fanboys, consider the reasons *why* they are a beta-tester, not the rather less significant fact that they *are* a beta-tester.

K-v-r is generally a pretty open and free place, but this information seems to be swept under the rug.

That's the point of an NDA, surely?

lharless · Post by **lharless** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:32 pm

we're days away. something tells me that this is the final approach. relax and grab a european beer. things are falling into place.

valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:34 pm

lharless wrote:we're days away. something tells me that this is the final approach. relax and grab a european beer.

Mmmmmm. Hoegardeen.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:40 pm

this time tomorrow ill be sitting in the square in valkenburg sipping ... well unfortunately probably not hoegaarden ... but some european lager i guess ...

slainte

rob

aldi · Post by **aldi** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:41 pm

good to know that valley knows how to betatest a software seriously

thx valley

valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:46 pm

aldi wrote:good to know that valley knows how to betatest a software seriously

I should hope so, I write it for a living.

Moreover, when stressed I come dangerously close to hacking, which means that I spend more time debugging than a half decent programmer ought.

rich_h · Post by **rich_h** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:31 pm

valley wrote: Moreover, when stressed I come dangerously close to hacking, which means that I spend more time debugging than a half decent programmer ought.

Hey, don't knock hacking, it's the lifeblood of software development! Just remember that next time you're sat on an Airbus *cough*

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IS IT ONLY ME THAT NOTICED ALL THE T2 BETA TESTERS LIKE T2