see you got your login hassles sorted lee ...lharless wrote:i can't wait till the 1st week of april, ill be able to hug T2.<-- me hugging T2.
... welcome to KVR mate !!!
slainte
robvote for mackie
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
... welcome to KVR mate !!!
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
lharless wrote:i can't wait till the 1st week of april, ill be able to hug T2.
<--live venue.
<--me with my remote setup.
<-- me loving what i do.
<-- me when i finally get T2 no my puter.
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
First of all, how does anyone here know how well Jules has been supported by Mackie? I would guess that things are just fine in that area. I'd say that Mackie has given ALOT of resources, ads, booths at NAMM, etc towards T2. There is NO proof of anything otherwise.
Also, I don't think it's totally to blame even on the marketing department. I don't need to say what's already been said, but there are alot of factors out of control of Mackie. Why don't people get this?
Plus, I, too, have many, MANY friends and people in the business who didn't know about Tracktion until Mackie. Many didn't even know it was a sequencer if they knew about it. And alot of people I know respect it a whole lot more now. It's just the truth. Mackie has been very good for Tracktion. I still haven't seen any proof of anything otherwise, because nobody can provide proof of how much better things would have been without Mackie.
Koolkeys
Also, I don't think it's totally to blame even on the marketing department. I don't need to say what's already been said, but there are alot of factors out of control of Mackie. Why don't people get this?
Plus, I, too, have many, MANY friends and people in the business who didn't know about Tracktion until Mackie. Many didn't even know it was a sequencer if they knew about it. And alot of people I know respect it a whole lot more now. It's just the truth. Mackie has been very good for Tracktion. I still haven't seen any proof of anything otherwise, because nobody can provide proof of how much better things would have been without Mackie.
Koolkeys
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 830 posts since 13 Oct, 2003
you're right, i don't know how they support jules. maby i was just guessing from how they support t1...blablabla, i think i also have said enough 
i need a lunch break
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
You're right. Providing the webspace and bandwidth, featuring Tracktion prominently on their site, giving it exposure by bundling it with hardware, getting it out to legions of Keyboard and Guitar Player readers (along with other tag-alongs) with the NFR offer, buying advertising space in which it's both the primary and secondary item being advertised....aldi wrote:you're right, i don't know how they support jules. maby i was just guessing from how they support t1
They really ignored T1, for sure.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 830 posts since 13 Oct, 2003
it's t2 you're talking about
with t1 i meant the existing userbase. but i'll swear, i'll never discuss this in the future. for that we have this poll and as you see, i'm not alone. you're only at the other side but i respekt your opinion. i would never post a icon, because this means : hey, how stupid are you...
so better on
with t1 i meant the existing userbase. but i'll swear, i'll never discuss this in the future. for that we have this poll and as you see, i'm not alone. you're only at the other side but i respekt your opinion. i would never post a
icon, because this means : hey, how stupid are you...so better
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
No,
It's an eye roll emoticon.
Which means: you don't know what you're talking about. Mackie has given a big push for T1, not just T2, so you're talking out of your ass. Do I think you're stupid? Not a chance! But do I think you have missed the point? Yup!
Also, as I mentioned in my first post, this poll is pretty meaningless because it's going to draw only certain people. A lot of the people who think that you've lost your marbles won't even READ the thread, never mind vote in it. On top of that, what people tend to forget is that this forum is NOT a representative segment of the population. For a statistic to have any significance whatsoever, you must choose a representative group. That's just basic math.
Greg
It's an eye roll emoticon.
Which means: you don't know what you're talking about. Mackie has given a big push for T1, not just T2, so you're talking out of your ass. Do I think you're stupid? Not a chance! But do I think you have missed the point? Yup!
Also, as I mentioned in my first post, this poll is pretty meaningless because it's going to draw only certain people. A lot of the people who think that you've lost your marbles won't even READ the thread, never mind vote in it.
On top of that, what people tend to forget is that this forum is NOT a representative segment of the population. For a statistic to have any significance whatsoever, you must choose a representative group. That's just basic math.Greg
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
I'd like to know exactly what Mackie DIDN'T do that they should have with T1. It already had been out for a very long time, and Mackie came into the deal when T2 was already being written. They did what they could with the NFR of version 1, and put alot of effort into getting it featured on the Mackie site. That's about all they could do. Why spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on advertising a product that has been out for so long. It wouldn't make sense.
Instead, Mackie has decided in the process of running a business that it may actually be a good idea to try and make some money by focusing on T2, which is the product that is currently on the horizon. T1, with it's userbase and time out, has already made most of the money that it was going to make. Although by doing the NFR, many, many more copies were sold of T1.
Seems like they did the right thing for me. Anyone who says they didn't give what they could to T1 is talking crap, and there's no base of facts behind it.
Koolkeys
Instead, Mackie has decided in the process of running a business that it may actually be a good idea to try and make some money by focusing on T2, which is the product that is currently on the horizon. T1, with it's userbase and time out, has already made most of the money that it was going to make. Although by doing the NFR, many, many more copies were sold of T1.
Seems like they did the right thing for me. Anyone who says they didn't give what they could to T1 is talking crap, and there's no base of facts behind it.
Koolkeys
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
You can't say anything more, just the same stuff all the time. I have nothing against you man, but really, you and a few others really have flooded this forum lately with the same crap, and crap that isn't going to change anything. Just lay it down a bit, man. And peace!
Koolkeys
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 830 posts since 13 Oct, 2003
lay it down, and relaxe, thinking all will be good is the best way to do when you think, things are going wrong ?! that's often proofed in history 
ok. let's see. i'll promise. no new thread on t2 from me till it arrives, but then... 
ok. let's see. i'll promise. no new thread on t2 from me till it arrives, but then... i need a lunch break
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Please don't think I'm trying to keep you from posting or make you shut up. Quite the contrary. I just was saying that it seems to be said several times a day how much people don't like the same things, that's all.
Please do post, even about T2, but let's keep it peaceful around here until we see how T2 will go.
Koolkeys
Please do post, even about T2, but let's keep it peaceful around here until we see how T2 will go.
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- KVRist
- 201 posts since 11 Jul, 2004
I think that the question should be, 'are you happy to have a bugged version now, or a version without need for a patch a couple of weeks down the line' because, I can only assume that the people who seem to do nothing but moan on here are big Native Instruments fans. Sure, they get it out on time, but by god do you pay for it with barely working software for a hell of a long time, as anyone with a version of reaktor will testify.
Sure, it's a bit annoying that release dates seem to be swimming past, and I'm a bit disappointed that I can't buy what seems to be a fantastic upgrade NOW, but this new tool to our music making will be along in a very short while, I'm sure. can't you just make do with 1 instead of going on and on about how 'shit Makie R'? I may have only joined a short while back, but most new threads since I started seem to be just repeats of themselves. Why get so worked up over something so relatively trivial?
Sure, it's a bit annoying that release dates seem to be swimming past, and I'm a bit disappointed that I can't buy what seems to be a fantastic upgrade NOW, but this new tool to our music making will be along in a very short while, I'm sure. can't you just make do with 1 instead of going on and on about how 'shit Makie R'? I may have only joined a short while back, but most new threads since I started seem to be just repeats of themselves. Why get so worked up over something so relatively trivial?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 830 posts since 13 Oct, 2003
hm, i could have also asked: do you think, there will ever be a software without any bugs. windows is buggy the systems on wich the software will run are so complex and every pc system is different, no internal betatesting has ever be that succsesfull, that a software is completely bug free. ok, maby t2 will be the first i know besides, that's the reason why i think the reson for the delay isn't a bug in t2. and the discussion isn't about the delay of t2, it's just about how it is handled. i haven't that big problem with the delay. and i wouldn't repeat myself at all if answers aren't showing me, that things that i allready have said are forgotten or misunderstood. this must be the same reson why others are constantly saying "everytime this crap" "why don't you use t1"...same opinion, same answer, same defend...ok, i repeat myself sorry, i repeat myself , oh no i have repeated myself
besides, that's the reason why i think the reson for the delay isn't a bug in t2. and the discussion isn't about the delay of t2, it's just about how it is handled. i haven't that big problem with the delay. and i wouldn't repeat myself at all if answers aren't showing me, that things that i allready have said are forgotten or misunderstood. this must be the same reson why others are constantly saying "everytime this crap" "why don't you use t1"...same opinion, same answer, same defend...ok, i repeat myself sorry, i repeat myself , oh no i have repeated myself i need a lunch break
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It's just that there's not any other way it could have been handled. They didn't give an exact release date because they couldn't, or it would have just said, "To be released March 10" or whatnot. Then, since it's obvious that there's a hold-up (I agree, probably not a bug), they can't say, "OK, release date April 10" because then it's another date that they'd have to hold themselves to.
So, they simply DIDN'T give dates, and therefore people shouldn't think that they've missed one. Initially there was what seemed to be a March release date, but that's gone by and it's time to live with that.
SO, what else could they do? Say, "Sorry guys, but it's on its way, honest." Well, that's what Beno has already done, several time.
I'd be curious to find out (aside from having the product ready to ship, which is obviously something that's not easy to have control of) what you think they could have done differently.
Sheesh.
If you're on this forum long enough (and trust me, aldi, you haven't been), you'll realize that there will always be someone to complain about something. [edit: my mistake, you HAVE been around long enough! I'm surprised you haven't noticed this pattern yet... and I'm surprised that if you've been a member for so long, it seems like you're new]
If they had, instead of saying that there would be a March release, and said NOTHING, I guarantee you'd be complaining even harder than you already are. Instead, it would be, "What the heck, why aren't they even acknowledging the product???"
I think the only way you would have been satisfied would have been if they released a public beta, the way some people were hoping.
Greg
So, they simply DIDN'T give dates, and therefore people shouldn't think that they've missed one. Initially there was what seemed to be a March release date, but that's gone by and it's time to live with that.
SO, what else could they do? Say, "Sorry guys, but it's on its way, honest." Well, that's what Beno has already done, several time.
I'd be curious to find out (aside from having the product ready to ship, which is obviously something that's not easy to have control of) what you think they could have done differently.
Sheesh.
If you're on this forum long enough (and trust me, aldi, you haven't been), you'll realize that there will always be someone to complain about something. [edit: my mistake, you HAVE been around long enough! I'm surprised you haven't noticed this pattern yet... and I'm surprised that if you've been a member for so long, it seems like you're new]
If they had, instead of saying that there would be a March release, and said NOTHING, I guarantee you'd be complaining even harder than you already are. Instead, it would be, "What the heck, why aren't they even acknowledging the product???"
I think the only way you would have been satisfied would have been if they released a public beta, the way some people were hoping.
Greg