Are you a composer or a technoid?
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- KVRAF
- 3345 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from Amsterdam
To be honest: I prefer 'women' to 'girls'... although common terminology is still girlfriend and not womanfriendCypherOne wrote:sad.soundaddik wrote:who needs girls? i'd rather edit midi than doing it
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Lunatique quoth One should ALWAYS be a composer first, technoid second.
Why?
If you get that priority wrong
Who exactly decides which priority is 'right'?
then you shouldn't be calling yourself a musician--rather, call yourself a sound designer instead.
According to which authority? You?
And since when was composer a synonym for 'musician'?
Since when was 'understanding the technology' a synonym for 'sound designer'?
What a bloody ludicrous set of assumptions.
Why?
If you get that priority wrong
Who exactly decides which priority is 'right'?
then you shouldn't be calling yourself a musician--rather, call yourself a sound designer instead.
According to which authority? You?
And since when was composer a synonym for 'musician'?
Since when was 'understanding the technology' a synonym for 'sound designer'?
What a bloody ludicrous set of assumptions.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Pretty much a loaded question from the get-go anyhow, and if you read between the lines, the author's point of view is already implied.
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- KVRian
- 995 posts since 4 Mar, 2004
You're just greedy !stefancrs wrote:Um. I'm a composer and a programmer. What does that make me? AND I have a girl. Wtf?
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
the "technoid" kid is needed inside me in order to help with musicmaking .. 
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and about the "one should always be a composer first" idea:
why?
i once had a neighbour who bought hardware after hardware, synths, synths and synths .. did he do songs or tracks? no, he just smoked his bong and grooved along with his grooveboxes and synthesizers. and i thought "pfffff .. he´s got all that gear. and where´s the music??"
but later on i just realized that he simply wasnt interested in making songs or tracks .. he just wanted to have some fun being a gearhead .. and why not?
each to his and her own ..
putte
.. and about the "one should always be a composer first" idea:
why?
i once had a neighbour who bought hardware after hardware, synths, synths and synths .. did he do songs or tracks? no, he just smoked his bong and grooved along with his grooveboxes and synthesizers. and i thought "pfffff .. he´s got all that gear. and where´s the music??"
but later on i just realized that he simply wasnt interested in making songs or tracks .. he just wanted to have some fun being a gearhead .. and why not?
each to his and her own ..
putte
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- KVRian
- 1278 posts since 24 May, 2004
None of the above.Topic: Are you a composer or a technoid?
I was a technoid (or "gearhead") some time ago, at least as far as my money allowed it.
So far I'm trying to get down to just using a sampler, old records and a huge, ever-growing sample library. I haven't yet made a track that could be compared to those I made in the gearhead time, but I think I just have to accomodate to the new environment.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
agreed!Lunatique wrote:One should ALWAYS be a composer first, technoid second. If you get that priority wrong, then you shouldn't be calling yourself a musician--rather, call yourself a sound designer instead.
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
but if this persons feels that sounddesign as music, and therefor feels as a musician .. will you stand there telling him/her "you arent a musician!" ?Lunatique wrote:One should ALWAYS be a composer first, technoid second. If you get that priority wrong, then you shouldn't be calling yourself a musician--rather, call yourself a sound designer instead.
putte
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
so you think there's some sort of universal 'priority' do you jens? no surprise there then.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
putte wrote: i once had a neighbour who bought hardware after hardware, synths, synths and synths .. did he do songs or tracks? no, he just smoked his bong and grooved along with his grooveboxes and synthesizers. and i thought "pfffff .. he´s got all that gear. and where´s the music??"
but later on i just realized that he simply wasnt interested in making songs or tracks .. he just wanted to have some fun being a gearhead .. and why not?
each to his and her own ..
putte
yes, I know a lot of people like this and it's absolutely o.k. like this of course...
but I think Lunatique was more referring to people who are creating an output as a method of communicating with others...
b.t.w.: I love the technical stuff as well!
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
no, I just think we need more melodies than soundfx...whyterabbyt wrote:so you think there's some sort of universal 'priority' do you jens? no surprise there then.
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
oh, and one important point: the technical stuff you use will most probably be outdated a few years later. The beautyful melodies you compose however will never really age.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
jens quoth
no, I just think we need more melodies than soundfx...
So are you claiming that someone who prioritises the more technical side is incapable of producing melody?
Because you certainly have agreed with Lunatique's assrtion of what people should do, and that people who dont prioritise the way he insists they should are somehow only producing one kind of output.
no, I just think we need more melodies than soundfx...
So are you claiming that someone who prioritises the more technical side is incapable of producing melody?
Because you certainly have agreed with Lunatique's assrtion of what people should do, and that people who dont prioritise the way he insists they should are somehow only producing one kind of output.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 25037 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
nonono - you got it wrong - that was not what I meant - but I think if someone prioritises the techniocal stuff above the composing itself the danger is given that due to this prioritising he doesn't care enough for the melodies... - that of course has got nothing to do with ability - we've been speaking about priority , right?whyterabbyt wrote:jens quoth
no, I just think we need more melodies than soundfx...
So are you claiming that someone who prioritises the more technical side is incapable of producing melody?
Because you certainly have agreed with Lunatique's assrtion of what people should do, and that people who dont prioritise the way he insists they should are somehow only producing one kind of output.
What has that to do with capability?
It's a dirty trick there that you try to put something into my mouth I didn't say in the least.
Anyway: think what you want to think about me or my opinion. Look at my signature...
The sun is shining outside and I'm unwilling to spend a single further minute in front of my machine to lead a fruitlessdiscussion with you just because I made the mistake to simply write 'I agree' when I agreed with someone.