goodby fellows

[valley]

A velocity tool was very necesary and it does not appear in t2 (Jules said the last year to me by email, that in Febrary of 2004 a new version of tracktion with a new midi editor would be released... no coments).

There are three different ways of editing velocity? What exactly are you missing?

[semiquaver]

regarding folder tracks:

it seems one of the guiding principals in T is that you see everything - inputs, clips filters and ouput section. Folder tracks would seem to go against that.

remember that one track can hold overlapping (or simultaneous) clips and that clips can house filters and you see that it is not easy to run out of space.

The crucial thing is that Jules stay true to the design vision that makes Tracktion a real and attractive alternative even as he remedies some shortcomings vis a vis the bloatware standards.

To my eye the per-track inputs are a design compromise and the color selection might be the first totally unnecessary choice presented in the whole program.

Jules: keep to your vision and take what time you need to continue to get design right .

[galdson]

Sorry very much, my english is as horrible as midi note velocity editor. Velocity tool is like a pencil but it modify velocity. When you select a note and move the cursor, velocity change (logic audio and samplitude has it).

[semiquaver]

galdson - with the MIDI editor open, click the "velocity" square upper left and you will see the velocities as bars in a region below the notes. Here you can edit them with the pointer.

I for one dont like "toolbars" - I prefer one modality for action but many for display, if you get my drift. That said the MIDI editor still has a long wayt to go.

[braj]

I'm not sure what T2 gives me LE7 doesn't

An intuitive and fast interface that makes sense?

The Logic Environment may be complicated, but once you have a good template to work with, it is a intuitive and fast interface. T requires you to learn keyboard shortcuts to get the most out of it, and so does Logic. Really, there isn't much difference IMO regarding complexity/speed.

Anyway, back on the fence on day 2.

[semiquaver]

One detail: Logic doesn't display MIDI on the arrange page making it impossible to slip audio to MIDI!

Another: per-clip filters is a deep thing..

but more basically getting away from the mixer / tape machine dichotomy really frees up brain cells - in T you see the whole damn project - you know where to look for info when you select something and its completely object based so there you are And the project management (export / archive etc) is a help for the overloaded brain as well.

In the end maybe its that T was made for people like me - recording artists working alone and the others seem to come out of the studio model, where there is a dedicated engineer...

[galdson]

Velocities as bars is a bad editor. Example: if you have a chord, you have three velocities in a bar. It is too complex. It is better edit velocities directly on notes.

[rich_h]

So click on each note individually and manually edit the velocity.

[semiquaver]

good point. as a workaround you can enter a number the "velocity" field down in the "midi events" folder. Cumbersome but at least its there!

[Lunch Money]

Hardly cumbersome, though. Really, dare to compare this truly deal-breaking feature:

velocity tool: click a note, then drag to set velocity
tracktion: click a note, then click and drag its velocity bar.

I see one whole extra click. Yup, this'll be a deal-breaker.

But wait... what if I'm not just editing a chord? Wowee zowee... suddenly with drum tracks I can look at the velocity lane, draw a freehand set of velocity curves, and instant variety nirvana. Yes, this is sweet indeed.

Greg

[120mg]

woah yeah: still no clip automation

but cos ive been pretty negative about t2 so far: It's great to see a sidechain compressor included with the default plugins.

Where's the sidechain compressor?
Please help me out.

[gbles]

.....after the endless speculation I'm hardly surprised that there would be some disappointment.

[valley]

woah yeah: still no clip automation

but cos ive been pretty negative about t2 so far: It's great to see a sidechain compressor included with the default plugins.

Where's the sidechain compressor?
Please help me out.

all mackie plugs should be in the mackie folder in your plug list.

[AD80]

Really, there isn't much difference IMO regarding complexity/speed.

Sorry man but thats BS. I just got back from a session with logic and even with all the screensets that supposedly make things go faster its still overly complex to do simple stuff. Powerful? Yes. But I refuse to read a 1000 page manual to learn how to sequence. I was up and running with Tracktion in 10 minutes. My friends been reading a Logic manual for the last six months and also he's enrolled in a logic class at school. Absurd.

But hay if you picked it up quickly, then more power to you. Have fun with L7.

[semiquaver]

I have been using sequencers and editors professionally for ever and I couldn't get the L7 demo to do anything useful even after an hour. It is absolutely the worst.

A paintbrush is simpler AND more powerful than photoshop...