here's a "log" (heheheh...) of a midi generator's output, demonstrating improvements to my algo midi engine.. it's way boring cos you're listening to stuf liek me dragging the sequence around :p
http://www.xoxos.net/miditest.mp3
previous engine was driven by a pulse clock synced to transport and s&hed for random events.. do something like change the shuffle, you change the sequence..
new engine, different concept.. counter driven and host-sync driven so you can drop anywhere in song and get sync.. you can change the rate et c. and get the same sequence (!!!!)
you can offset/drag the pitch or gate sequence by n # of steps forward or backwards.. (just read that about limelite or ? here today.. started building that circuit yesterday.. more confluence..) transpose within key, increment by n for glisses.. polyphony..
'lobsterisation' timing doesn't affect content of repeated squence.. sequence can be dragged after or before the clock.
the 'more exciting part' (...) at the end is glissing thru different scales/modes (64!)
i don't use cc assigns for midi control.. my intent is to apply 33-64 for params?
intent is to make something playable as a live generator but also enuff mass ('couple or so of lfos..') to be useful for automation, eg. functions like incrementing pitch have a % trimmer.. hopefully also useful for some emulation tasks as well as creative.. okay..
think i can have lfo modes where eg. only binary temporal divisions are selected for lfo modulation of clock rate, so hope to cover some dynamics as such.. but plan on adding some more stuf like trill % function or something.
big improvement on old techniques, eg. auto tempo syncing.. comparatively very few limitations actually on what i'm able to do.. atm one of which is that randomised timing variation function is going to be cpu better if it doesn't have to repeat the same.. big gripe to anyone else, worth a bit of cpu for that exactly repeating sloppiness? lfos applied to eg. clock offset would have similar effect and be synced.. i thinking cpu best very low, but my box is 1.2g.
anyone got any requests or suggestions before i start to wrap it up? free bird?
midi generator
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 1 Jun, 2004 from uk
That sounds really interesting xoxos. Ive been trying to get into algorithmic comosing recently, and have been using KCS Omega (Atari software) running on 'Steem' via midi yoke into Ableton live or EnergyXT. It's been problematic because KCS Omega is not exactly intuitive (to say the least) and /i'm not sure about midi yoke. I've had some success using your plugins, particularly 'Scribe' in Ableton live utilising their 'follow actions'.
I've played around with the Koan pro demo a few times, and while i love their idea of having different types of interactive generation tracks, like 'leaders, followers, ambient, rhythm and programmed tracks, the synths are terrible.
It'd be great to have something like Koan as a plugin to use within a modular VST host. A huge project I know, man I wish i could code.
I'm liking your plugins a lot though, looking forward to trying this new one too. I don't suppose you feel like having a go at a vst version of koan pro do you?
I've played around with the Koan pro demo a few times, and while i love their idea of having different types of interactive generation tracks, like 'leaders, followers, ambient, rhythm and programmed tracks, the synths are terrible.
It'd be great to have something like Koan as a plugin to use within a modular VST host. A huge project I know, man I wish i could code.
I'm liking your plugins a lot though, looking forward to trying this new one too. I don't suppose you feel like having a go at a vst version of koan pro do you?
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- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
i've never tried it, but mebbe can leech sumpin to add to my razle dazle kit
it's a stupid way of life.
it's a stupid way of life.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
If I only knew what this was doing at all...
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
PM coming your way Sascha.Sascha Franck wrote:If I only knew what this was doing at all...
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 1 Jun, 2004 from uk
I'm sure It'll inspire you in some strange way, if you can get yer head round it. I'm messing around with ArtSong at the moment, spent most of the day scratching my head trying to get it to generate some chord strucurexoxos wrote:i've never tried it, but mebbe can leech sumpin to add to my razle dazle kit
it's a stupid way of life.
it's not very intuitive, i'd have been better off spending the time studying a jazz piano book I think. Ah well.
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you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 2818 posts since 30 Aug, 2001 from where dinosaurs are still alive
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very interesting..Thanks, xoxos, I'm sure I'll find a very lazy way of misusing this..
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- KVRAF
- 2277 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
A Karma-esque generation of MIDI notation as a VST? Genius! This is truly unique folks. I'm looking very foward to using it for texture generation if nought else.
On a side note, I feel that using algorithmic or aleatoric notation generation to form traditional "music" or even worse "chords" is a mindset that would cause one to miss the point entirely.
I think plugs such as this (and those surely to come) are for the benefit and creation of a musical "genre" or as Rurik would say, "meme" that is yet to come. Same goes for such thing as modular hosts (i.e. Bidule, EnergyXT). Our paradigm of what electronic music truly is must shift (hopefully soon) because our tools of the electromusic future are already starting to arrive (before we even know what they're truly for... like hammering with a lazer.) Of course, that's all just IMHO and I really don't know anything at all so please no hating.
XOXOS for president!
On a side note, I feel that using algorithmic or aleatoric notation generation to form traditional "music" or even worse "chords" is a mindset that would cause one to miss the point entirely.
I think plugs such as this (and those surely to come) are for the benefit and creation of a musical "genre" or as Rurik would say, "meme" that is yet to come. Same goes for such thing as modular hosts (i.e. Bidule, EnergyXT). Our paradigm of what electronic music truly is must shift (hopefully soon) because our tools of the electromusic future are already starting to arrive (before we even know what they're truly for... like hammering with a lazer.) Of course, that's all just IMHO and I really don't know anything at all so please no hating.
XOXOS for president!
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 1 Jun, 2004 from uk
That kind of depends on what you actually see as being the 'point'JackDark wrote:On a side note, I feel that using algorithmic or aleatoric notation generation to form traditional "music" or even worse "chords" is a mindset that would cause one to miss the point entirely.
If the point is to create another uplifting trance chord sequence with your hands behind your back, then I spose your right. But another point could be constantly evolving music playing in an art installation for three months without repeating itself, with automated fiberglass scientist dummies, monitoring the visible affects on a caged Osprey. Ok, maybe not, but it'd be better than trance chords.
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 21 Aug, 2001 from Lizella Georgia USA
Hey, ckchords is great! I've been wanting something like this for a long time -- all the previous chord generators I've seen play the same type chord for each root, rather than varying the chord type to match the key.
But I haven't figured out all the controls, though, in particular, those on the right hand side.
Thanks!
YellowJacket
But I haven't figured out all the controls, though, in particular, those on the right hand side.
Thanks!
YellowJacket
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it's a super quick hack job.. ~ a wrapper for a new ck module, seen a few people mention stuff w/ it coming out, hope to do chris' work justice sometime soon.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- DC TC
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
could this also be done in a version that drives a drum machine that you are also the creator of? of course it could drive any drum machine, but yours will be true relatives. I don't know, I'm bad at requests, suggestions. I just find everything you do very exciting. it's like christmas for a little kid when you come up with something new. I just can't wait to get my hands on this.
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- KVRist
- 71 posts since 13 Oct, 2001 from seattle, usa