T2 doesn't sound as good as Nuendo?

[DWS]

Here's a quote from Chuck Ainlay speaking about Nuendo. "It also has a great audio engine that to me sounds better than the rest, particularly after you've gotten deep into it with sub mixing and using lots of plug-ins. I'm told it's the 32 bit floating point processing but what ever, it just sounds good."

Any comments on this?

Just for the record, I am a loyal Tracktion user and, for me, T1 had every feature I needed.

I'm just curious about T2's audio.

Scott

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Who's chuck ainlay?

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Why is he named after a drill attachment?

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And did he really say "gotten"?

[IIRs]

T2 uses 64-bits not 32, so it sounds twice as good as Nuendo.

[SaviorNeeded]

In half the time.

Tom

[AD80]

T2 sounds better than SX and Nuendo combined.

[valley]

"It also has a great audio engine that to me sounds better than the rest, particularly after you've gotten deep into it with sub mixing and using lots of plug-ins.

it sounds better when using lots of 3rd party extensions? Not a very scientific measurement then, eh?

[DWS]

Who's chuck ainlay?

From the article - "Chuck Ainlay is one of the world’s most acclaimed engineers and a pioneer in 5.1 surround mixing. During the last 25 years he has worked with many high-profile artists and engineered about 200 albums, including many Grammy award winners and numerous Gold, Platinum and even Multi-Platinum releases. The Nashville Music Association named him 'Engineer of the Year' in 1996 and again in 1997. Nashville's own Music Row Magazine voted him the 'Engineer with the most Top Ten Hits' in 1998 while the years 1999 and 2000 brought with them nominations for the prestigious TEC award from Mix Magazine. Chuck was one of the first leading engineers who switched to Nuendo."

[DWS]

"It also has a great audio engine that to me sounds better than the rest, particularly after you've gotten deep into it with sub mixing and using lots of plug-ins.

it sounds better when using lots of 3rd party extensions? Not a very scientific measurement then, eh?

Neither was the argument that CD's sounded better than LP's because they sampled at 44.1.

I am not saying what he said is true, I am just wondering because Mackie decided to make one of their main selling points 64 bit mixing. - s

[valley]

he's *that* big a deal and he things 32bit mixing is a hot ticket? Or is that article five years old?

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Who's chuck ainlay?

From the article - "Chuck Ainlay is one of the world’s most acclaimed engineers and a pioneer in 5.1 surround mixing. During the last 25 years he has worked with many high-profile artists and engineered about 200 albums, including many Grammy award winners and numerous Gold, Platinum and even Multi-Platinum releases. The Nashville Music Association named him 'Engineer of the Year' in 1996 and again in 1997. Nashville's own Music Row Magazine voted him the 'Engineer with the most Top Ten Hits' in 1998 while the years 1999 and 2000 brought with them nominations for the prestigious TEC award from Mix Magazine. Chuck was one of the first leading engineers who switched to Nuendo."

Wow! All that and he doesn't understand a thing about digital recording.

[valley]

Neither was the argument that CD's sounded better than LP's because they sampled at 44.1.

And lets be honest, when you stripped away the marketing hype of the time, an early gen CD player, costing around $600-$1000 bucks (early adopter tax) couldn't hold a candle to a similarly priced record deck.

I am not saying what he said is true, I am just wondering because Mackie decided to make one of their main selling points 64 bit mixing. - s

I think Mackie were just trying to get ahead of the curve. 64bit mixing will be the next big thing (whether it needs to be is open to debate), Tracktion is just getting in early.

[jarzynka]

I switched from SX2 to Tracktion precisely for the quality of sound I was getting. Cubase SX, at least with my Echo Mona (ASIO) does something to the real-time audio playback that beefs up the low-end and really cuts the highs. I actually did a test where I ran the digital coax out from the Mona in Cubase to another recording program with a spectrum analyzer on it. There was significant roll-off above 8KHz on every VST I used! People on the Cubase form still deny this happens to the day.

Although SX would render a mixdown file without the roll-off problems, I found it impossible to mix a song since what I was getting in mix down was NOT what I was hearing in SX. What would sound tight and full of bass in SX, came out airy and spacey in the mix-down file. Things that had too little reverb before came out bathed in it after. The stereo image was also significantly wider afer mix-down.

In Tracktion, I've really found what you hear is what you get! Combined with a much better work flow, this is the biggest reason to switch to Tracktion. BTW, I didn't have this audio problem with Cubase until SX2 (the Nuendo audio engine was used)

No matter what "pro" features people will try to sell you on Cubase or Nuendo, sound output is the key. So, I've got a million bells and whistles in Cubase? For me, Tracktion gives me a more true audio mixing process from beginning to end - period.

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I am not saying what he said is true, I am just wondering because Mackie decided to make one of their main selling points 64 bit mixing. - s

Because, strange as this must seem, the gullible will believe that more equals better.