my feelings
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
If the T crew sailed a tighter ship I'd be happy.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Whatever that means. 
Regarding MP3 - just because it can be a useful tool doesn't mean it's a 'pro' tool. Of course, you realize that Cubase and the rest added it simply to appease people and add one more feature (not to mention an extra fee to the end user as MP3 isn't free) to their list. I'm sure the engineers at Steinberg cringe at MP3 used for professional application.
Regarding Cubase 'light' versions as 'infinitely more powerful'. In addition to what's already been mentioned, don't forget to about the light versions' limited track count, insert effect count, and the lack of a few features that DO set Cubase (full version) apart (ie. score editing). There are simply too many features that T2 has that Cubase "light" doesn't have that it's ridiculous to even begin.
"Infinitely more powerful"? That's not just an overstatement, it's a fallacy.
Regarding MP3 - just because it can be a useful tool doesn't mean it's a 'pro' tool. Of course, you realize that Cubase and the rest added it simply to appease people and add one more feature (not to mention an extra fee to the end user as MP3 isn't free) to their list. I'm sure the engineers at Steinberg cringe at MP3 used for professional application.
Regarding Cubase 'light' versions as 'infinitely more powerful'. In addition to what's already been mentioned, don't forget to about the light versions' limited track count, insert effect count, and the lack of a few features that DO set Cubase (full version) apart (ie. score editing). There are simply too many features that T2 has that Cubase "light" doesn't have that it's ridiculous to even begin.
"Infinitely more powerful"? That's not just an overstatement, it's a fallacy.
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
You know, keep on top of the bugs etc.Lunch Money wrote:Whatever that means.
(I'd just done some renders with T1.6 and had to redo most of the album's mixdown and reburn a CD because I'd forgotten about the rack initialisation bug. I should of checked I know but it leaves me feeling like T let me down when it shouldn't! I also have this sinking feeling that T2 has many annoying bugs left over from T1.6 and really should have been addressed - this is what I mean by a tighter ship
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
True enough. I'm surprised that the dropped first note is still here. It never really bothered me in T1, and it doesn't bother me now, but it still should've been fixed.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Again, MP3 isn't something that Jules can just add by coding. He has to get permission, and that permission requires a hefty fee. It's patented, and you're not allowed to use it without paying. And THAT means a higher product price. And that will be the first thing people complain about.
Also, we're talking "pro" or not. I'm in Nashville, and while I'm not a Grammy winning producer or anything, I have been in discussion about formats with instructors and highly paid engineers in Nashville. MP3 is NOT used as a professional format.
MP3 is used for the internet, for getting files back and forth on the web. And it's used to stuff a million songs on a tiny MP3 player. It's a CONSUMER format. In pro studios, they use OMF, HDR, Broadcast Wave files, and a couple others. But MP3 is not a format that is used in the business for file storage or transferring. People use CD's and external hard drives and sled drives to transfer the best sounding files around as possible.
MP3 is NOT pro, even though some people may use it. It's for internet and file sharing, that's it.
Koolkeys
Also, we're talking "pro" or not. I'm in Nashville, and while I'm not a Grammy winning producer or anything, I have been in discussion about formats with instructors and highly paid engineers in Nashville. MP3 is NOT used as a professional format.
MP3 is used for the internet, for getting files back and forth on the web. And it's used to stuff a million songs on a tiny MP3 player. It's a CONSUMER format. In pro studios, they use OMF, HDR, Broadcast Wave files, and a couple others. But MP3 is not a format that is used in the business for file storage or transferring. People use CD's and external hard drives and sled drives to transfer the best sounding files around as possible.
MP3 is NOT pro, even though some people may use it. It's for internet and file sharing, that's it.
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- KVRAF
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
aaarg - 
at the risk of going around in circles: saying that this or that format is not "Pro" is foolish - this (sometimes out of work) pro could use mp3 support! Import apparently is free - well then - it would be good to be able to bring in stuff I receive via email. - And I have had occaion to send and receive stuff that way for TV as I mentioned and for arrangements I've done for label work - again: its not for anything thats going to be kept, just a for communicating mockups, scratches and guides. I have never in my life bumped into a broadcast wav though!
It is perfectly possible to do the conversions outside of T but its a pain and so while I do NOT think it should be a *priority* for Jules it would be a good thing.
at the risk of going around in circles: saying that this or that format is not "Pro" is foolish - this (sometimes out of work) pro could use mp3 support! Import apparently is free - well then - it would be good to be able to bring in stuff I receive via email. - And I have had occaion to send and receive stuff that way for TV as I mentioned and for arrangements I've done for label work - again: its not for anything thats going to be kept, just a for communicating mockups, scratches and guides. I have never in my life bumped into a broadcast wav though!
It is perfectly possible to do the conversions outside of T but its a pain and so while I do NOT think it should be a *priority* for Jules it would be a good thing.
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
Welcome to the Internet. We hope you enjoy your stay.semiquaver wrote: at the risk of going around in circles:
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
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- KVRian
- 830 posts since 13 Oct, 2003
everything that makes t2 usefull for more people would be a good thing. and mp3 import is something that won't clutter the interface or disturbe the workflow in any way so why not but i also think there are more important things.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
If import-only were added, you just KNOW that the first thing people would do is say, "What the heck? Only HALF of MP3 support?" And as mentioned, it's not free.
Greg
Greg
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- KVRian
- 779 posts since 3 Apr, 2003 from UK
As for light editions of Cubase, I played with Cubasis VST 4 that came with my new audio interface and spent a good proportion of the time going "where the hell is xyz?" fore something that is right there in front of you in Tracktion. It could be argued that that aspect of the user interface alone makes Tracktion "more pro" than Cubase and its derivatives.
Of course, as usual this comes down to one man's meat is another's poison. "Pro" is such a subjective term that it is approaching meaningless.
Of course, as usual this comes down to one man's meat is another's poison. "Pro" is such a subjective term that it is approaching meaningless.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Yes. The only thing that makes something "professional" is that it is used in the industry to make money with. Since we know Tracktioneers who do this, it's obviously a "pro" app.rich_h wrote:"Pro" is such a subjective term that it is approaching meaningless.
Even worse, claiming something is better because other people like it (ie. the pros) is an ad populem argument, which is a classic fallacy in logic. Or in other words, it don't mean shit.
Greg
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- KVRist
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
Cubase has infinitely more features than you will ever need, also does it have infinitely more bugs than features.haydxn wrote:cubase isn't infinitely more anything than anything, unless you mean it's infinitely more 'cubase sucks' than anything else.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Negative experience with "Personal Massager Pro"?
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
A kazoo is a professional instrument instrument if you can get someone to drop money in your hat.
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