position/velocity offset plugin ?

[Sidhu]

I was wanting to know if ther is a position/velocity randomize plugin (for midi). Which would offset the parameter randomly within a given range. This would really help in making drum sequences sound real in a snap. Quite like whats included within the Steinberg products..

Should not be too difficult to make i suppose.. ModulR ???

Sidhu

[djsubject]

there must be a midi humaniser plugin out there somewhere?

any body?

[ModuLR]

the inherent problem with shifting midi back and forth via a VST plugin is that there are situations where it can only shift forward and not back. For example, if a note gets triggered at the begining of a processing block (say sample 5), there is no way to tell it to go backwards in time (eg, if you wanted to shift the note backwards by 20 samples) becuase that block has already been processed. Velocity is do'able tho..

[djsubject]

isint there a humaniser grove template out there for tracktion?

[ModuLR]

the groove templates are the place to do this... there is a glitch in displaying the applied groove, tho it'll playback the audio fine.

[Sidhu]

oh.. i see.. i kinda understand it not being able to play back the events ahed of their position.. if i am right.. u say we would need a look ahed kind of a plugin ??? dont understand the blocks bit.

And how does steinberg impliment it ?

could someone also explain groove templates to me. my understanding is that they have a grid pattern that is not not as tight as in actuall. And we can quantize using this. but then say the template is 10 bars long, while our sesison is a lot longer. there is a chance that things could get repetitive ???

Sidhu

[djsubject]

oh.. i see.. i kinda understand it not being able to play back the events ahed of their position.. if i am right.. u say we would need a look ahed kind of a plugin ??? dont understand the blocks bit.

And how does steinberg impliment it ?

could someone also explain groove templates to me. my understanding is that they have a grid pattern that is not not as tight as in actuall. And we can quantize using this. but then say the template is 10 bars long, while our sesison is a lot longer. there is a chance that things could get repetitive ???

Sidhu

groove templates are a programmable off set that you can apply to your midi (kind like thay have in cubase & logic) it will let you humanize your midi clip!

Subject

[aldi]

take a look at jamstix, should be the right thing for you

[chico.co.uk]

You could try Tobybear's humanisator, which is available here

http://www.tobybear.de/p_midibag.html

I have to admit though that i didn't get the results out of it that i was hoping to get, but that may be down to user error. I didn't persevere with it too much ...

I'd like the equivalent of groove templates, but where the hits are randomised within the parameters defined in the template, rather than the hits being moved to that absolute offset.

[djsubject]

I'd like the equivalent of groove templates, but where the hits are randomised within the parameters defined in the template, rather than the hits being moved to that absolute offset.

you do know that you can apply a groove template to selected midi notes only if you want?

Subject

[chico.co.uk]

Yeah, i do, but if i apply any particular template to the same notes, i'll get the same offset on those notes every time. I'd like to get some variation off the offset, so that if i apply a groove template to the same 1 bar loop for 24 bars, i'd end up with 24 slightly different versions of the loop. In the same way that a real drummer would play the same pattern slightly differently each time. Although he might take care to put an accent on the first hi-hat of a bar, and some ghost snare hits would be quieter than the main snares, it wouldn't be exactly the same accent, and the timing might drift slightly forwards or back in and out of the pocket ... something like slicy drummer's implementation of this is a good example

[chico.co.uk]

Yeah, i do, but if i apply any particular template to the same notes, i'll get the same offset on those notes every time. I'd like to get some variation off the offset, so that if i apply a groove template to the same 1 bar loop for 24 bars, i'd end up with 24 slightly different versions of the loop. In the same way that a real drummer would play the same pattern slightly differently each time. Although he might take care to put an accent on the first hi-hat of a bar, and some ghost snare hits would be quieter than the main snares, it wouldn't be exactly the same accent, and the timing might drift slightly forwards or back in and out of the pocket ... something like slicy drummer's implementation of this is a good example

[djsubject]

this might help!

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 48#1081448

[Sidhu]

Yeah, i do, but if i apply any particular template to the same notes, i'll get the same offset on those notes every time. I'd like to get some variation off the offset, so that if i apply a groove template to the same 1 bar loop for 24 bars, i'd end up with 24 slightly different versions of the loop. In the same way that a real drummer would play the same pattern slightly differently each time. Although he might take care to put an accent on the first hi-hat of a bar, and some ghost snare hits would be quieter than the main snares, it wouldn't be exactly the same accent, and the timing might drift slightly forwards or back in and out of the pocket ... something like slicy drummer's implementation of this is a good example

Exactly what i meant by saying that using groove templates would still yeild in a repetitive sound...

Sidhu

[Sidhu]

take a look at jamstix, should be the right thing for you

I have already tried the demo.. played with it for bout 30 minutes (nothing sequenced, just trying to use it in jam mode). To be honest, i could not get one decent realistic groove out of it. Also that i dint like the sound. But in all probability, i was not using it correct.

Sidhu