I Want A Midi Controller For My Birthday

[pHz]

i've got the UC-16.. the X-session's grandpa with less features it looks almost the same but it's just a bit more rubbish. just 16 knobs. works a treat for me tho

ffs ... stop posting here and GET ON WITH YOUR HOMEWORK YOU LAZY BOY !!!
slainte rob

Another fine example of lazy oppression

it wasnt lazy ... i had to move my arms to type that and everything ...

slainte rob

[djsubject]

Hay no fighting on my thread plz!!

@ pHz: thank you for all the info & very helpful links on that very snazzy looking controller!! (I might just get one if I cant find any better second hand )

@ Barbarossa: do you have a link to that controller you said I can get for £100? I did a search on the net but couldn’t find shit!

@ whyterabbyt: just let the trolls troll (I think they need it to stop them mugging old ladies & shit like that)

@ bewing77: Thanks for the info as well!! Its only £156 in the uk! Looks real sexy for the price as well

Well for all that helped me in my search for some cheap live control over Tracktion 2


THANK YOU!!!!


Subject

[whyterabbyt]

djsubject quoth

@ Barbarossa: do you have a link to that controller you said I can get for £100? I did a search on the net but couldn’t find shit!


He was, in turn, talking about the Behringer B Control BCF2000 (with motorised faders) then the Behringer B Control BCR2000 (32 pots, including 8 endless rotaries). You'll get them just about anywhere. £132 and £83 respectively at Digital Village, for example. Not seen the BCF2000 under £100 I have to say, but its possible, I guess.

[djsubject]

Thanx whyterabbyt



& thats the cheap one (wich seems to have 16 extra controllers over the more pricey one with the faders)

Subject

[semiquaver]

I want the bcr but I am concerned that it woulnt work without feedback as it doesn't have the Mackie emulation mode.

Anybody try one?????

[djsubject]

if it dosent recall wont thay just be set back to none?

i think that jules will implement this in the updates we will get as time fly's bye (well i hope so any way )

[bewing77]

The BCF is so much better because of the mackie control emulation. Thats the reason i got it for my home computer. No fuzzing about setting it up, it controls every single aspect of T2 AND every single plugin out of the box (well not really, you probably need to upgrade the firmware, but still). The BCR as it stands does nothing that any cheapo midi-box can't do. If Jules implement parameter feedback it will be great though. I'd spend the extra cash for the BCF.

[haydxn]

:drool: i want a BCF...

[djsubject]

I still realy like pHz's recomendation aswell



hmm save money & have dj fun, or blager mackie desk that i wont realy be using as a mixer or for setting my volumes (im waiting for T to addon a VHM )

thay all look so nice! but i am a cheap barsted so pHz I may be one of your cru very soon

[whyterabbyt]

bewing77 quoth The BCR as it stands does nothing that any cheapo midi-box can't do.

Huh? But it is a cheapo midi-box. They dont come much cheapo-er.

[haydxn]

it's a great bit of kit, subject. the one i have is pretty much identical but with less features (just the knobs, but still has preset storing and recall) and it serves me well.

the knobs on it aren't the best around tho; they feel quite thin in your fingers, and may sometimes seem a little close together, but it's dirt cheap and does everything you need it to (give yourself 16 knobs to control any ol' parameter you like). AND the benefit of this device is that it's almost like a joypad - it's quite small and it's on a USB cable so you can plonk it on your lap or pass it around for others to twiddle with.

mines covered in stickers now i put a 'divider' line halfway along so that it's visibly divided into four banks of four knobs - that way it's easier to remember which knob is which, and i put little colours on the top of the knobs (so the top left four and bottom right four are pink, the top right and bottom left banks are turqoise) so it's really easy to glance-and-grab. if you're not interested in feedback or transport controls (seeing as the keyboard can be used to play/stop etc perfectly well) then it's a really really great bargain. i got mine when it was still £100! and i'm chuffz0red to bits.

[Barbarossa]

Whiterabbit,
first i suggest you to become grown up, afterwards get experience in mixing to understand the topic, before you piss on other peoples feet.
Your arguments are ridiculous and you seem still not to get the point.
Once again just for you: the point is, that Mackie restricts parameter feedback to their own, very expensive units (or units with an emulation-mode, which is a restriced mode anyway, because it can't be adopted) which is the oposite of user-friendly politics, because T is a sequencer used mostly by non-pros, which are not willing/able to go for a MC or C4.

While more and more other sequencers support parameter feedback, the plan is, most T-users should be excluded, if they do not invest in a MC/C4.

Additionally, the Behringer units had a huge impact on the market and will force other companies to produce much better controllers with feedback-functionality but Mackie obviously doesn't want T2 users to profit from that. They primarily want to sell their own controllers with T and not improve T, which should be observed cautiously.

You also stated, there were no total-recall units for under 100 BP available, which is plain wrong.

And because you obviously have no clue about the topic: mixing with knobs is indeed quite easy and with some practice very good possible, while mixing and tweaking without a visual feedback on the console is not possible in a productive way.
That's the reason, why feedback is really necessary and is the future in the controller-market, from which T2 users should be excluded, if they don't pay $$$.

The problem with non-touch sensitive faders like from the BCF is, that it doesn't support a latch-mode, so it is necessary to push a button to update the automation, which tends to be of a big problem, in difficult mixing-situations.
So rotary units like the BCR could have been a real great solution for T2 users, too.

The Behringer units would have fit almost perfectly for most T2-users but since some very clever people like you prefer to attack others instead of Mackie, Mackie will probably see absolutely no reason, to rethink their IMO very nasty move against the user-base.

To exclude such a huge improvement in functionality, just to sell their own controllers is not acceptable for me and T2 is not that cheap anymore, that this would be sacrified nor could it be argued, that it needs cross-subsidy and i'm afraid this gives already an impression, in what direction T will develop.
Jules is obviously no longer the mastermind.
But if no one stands up and complains, we will just get, what we deserve...

[pHz]

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slainte rob

[semiquaver]

I think we shold reserve jundgement re: feedback.

Obviously Mackie's priority was to provide support for their proprietary hardware.

But it doesn't go without saying that they won't extend that support to the world of other units, although BarbaRsa is right that we need to watch the situation carefully and demand it.

[djsubject]

wait & see yea? its not even out yet!

i think this will be addressed in good time (well i hope it is!)

oh & thanks for the info on latch mode with the bcf !