I Want A Midi Controller For My Birthday

[pHz]

do you have pizza in chicago town too ???

slainte rob

[pHz]

and wind ???

slainte rob

[pHz]

and bizarrely glamourous and interesting emergency room doctors ???

slainte rob

[valley]

Did you edit my reply as well? Sneaky bastard.

[valley]

do you have pizza in chicago town too ???

yes.

and wind ???

Bit of a myth, that one (or at least it is until I hit the local tandoori).

and bizarrely glamourous and interesting emergency room doctors ???

Dunno about that, but some of the interns around this place are pretty cute.

[haydxn]

hey, where's barbara streisand gone?! has he decided to stop being such a bell-end yeT?

[semiquaver]

I don't get it folks: however rude he may be Barbarossa has a kind of point. Without feedback you can't return to a mix and start working - all the faders begin wherever they physically are rather than where you left them. So its a *lot* less usefull. So right now the BCF or C4 are much more usefull imo than the bcr or whatever, which is not to say that the latter are useless... Anyhow lets hope that a more fully concieved facility is provided in 2.x and not reject even angry criticism out of hand.

[valley]

I don't get it folks: however rude he may be Barbarossa has a kind of point.

No. He made two claims:

Firstly he said that it is impossible to work without feedback.

Clearly this is bollocks, because whilst he may not like to do it, if anyone can, it isn't impossible.

Secondly he said that Mackie are deliberately shutting out competitor products.

Aside from the fact that is specualtion based on nothing more than paranoia, it's also bollocks. You can use other controllers when they are in Mackie emulation mode. If Mackie were really trying to enforce a shutout, they could have easily added code to detect emulation, and disable controller support.

When I read this thread, I don't see a group of people saying there should be no 3rd party support. Rather, I see a group of people taking exception to two very clear and trollish claims.

It is entirely possible, is it not, that there simply was not time to add support for other controllers? Given that, it stands to reason that a push will be made to offer support for ones own hardware with the intention of extending the range of support over time. Making "we need to watch this evil corporation" style claims just looks silly.

It's easy to be a moral crusader when it isn't your company, your deadline, and you don't need to think too hard about all of the issues in play. *That* is why that barbarossa troll got flamed.

[braj]

With all that said, I do think Mackie has an interest in supporting their products more than their competitors' Who could blame them, whether you like it or not? Without knowing the true motivations, I do know it would cost them money in development time (not to mention potential Mackie controller sales) to support every 3rd party controller.

Give me some presets for the controller mapping in edit view and I could care less if they ever add a non-mackie control surface. Just my opinion.

[whyterabbyt]

Just as apoint of interest is there another actual de facto 'standard' for control interfaces actually out there with any kind of common usage. There's HUI? But what else?
Generally, controller support either has to be custom-written, or based on emulation. Even Tascam's very groovy US-2400 (24 motorised faders, yum) has Mackie support. Isnt it fair to say that Mackie is becoming the de facto standard, and that its actually kind of logical to support that first in the absence of anything else?

Oh no wait, that's 'fanboy' stuff isnt it... And yet, I'm actually predominantly using Sonar4... strange ol' world, innit.

[chico.co.uk]

Guys, i'm stuck in a hotel in london on a mobile phone. As in, text message posting stylee on a wee screen. But i thought i should chime in here, being one of the few using t2 with controller feedback, having bought a bcf2000 a couple of days before being forced down here for the week. And everybody knows i'm a big T fan, so it's full disclosure and all that ...

So anyway, it works f**king great. This controller i've got that isn't made by mackie. But so does my kenton spin doctor. And so do the knobs on my m-audio o2 keyboard. And so do the ones on my yamaha keyboard. Which all let me control soft synths, or track volume and pan, or anything else i want to control in tracktion2. Which i couldn't do in t1. So let's see ... do i get controller feedback with all these controllers? Well, no. So let's go back to sonar, which i used to use. Do i get controller feedback with all these controllers there? Hey, guess what?

See, funnily enough, there's not that many affordable controllers that support feedback. There's the two behringers. And ... uh ...

So where i'm going with this is just to say if you want a cheap controller with recall and feedback, get the bcf2000. It's great, and costs about 130 quid. It works great in T and it'll cheer you right up. If i had six hundred quid spare i'd buy a mackie control, but sadly, i don't.

If you know of a cheap controller that supports feedback that CAN'T be used in T, what is it? Have you tried it? Do you know? As far as i know, no'one has confirmed whether feedback works or not on the bcr2000 in T.

I'd definitely advise getting a controller with feedback if you have the spare cash, esp if you're getting a controller. But amazingly you'll get buy without one. Like loads of people do with a controller which doesn't support it. It's a nice to have. And successful controller drivers will emulate the big boys, it's a bit of a given.

[bighorse]

So where i'm going with this is just to say if you want a cheap controller with recall and feedback, get the bcf2000. It's great, and costs about 130 quid.

Yeah I love my BCF2000, and feedback works beaut with Live and Reason 3.
BUT don't count on Mackie emulation working under OSX with T2. I did start a thread asking if any OSX users could get it to work (it just makes T2 hang on my machine) but no replies so far.

I like the BCF so much, I might just buy another. After I've bought a BCR too


cheers

[WoJ]

Noo, we need one of these...but wiht knob's and sliders if only



WoJ

[braj]

Noo, we need one of these...but wiht knob's and sliders if only



WoJ

That's all high-techie cool and all, but give me real knobs and sliders over that anyday.

[mandolarian]

Yeah, and you can only type fake words with the thing.