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ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:43 am

I've removed all level meters from my tracks, except of course the master out. My mind has been freed from their distracting antics!

just thought I'd share...

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:58 am

ModuLR wrote:I've removed all level meters from my tracks, except of course the master out. My mind has been freed from their distracting antics!

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:30 am

The power of 64 bit mixing is a heady drug, eh, Mod?

Can Vol / Pan filters be far behind?

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:45 am

cool stuff!

but i'm a bit of a dunce when it comes to the implications of the 64bit internal stuff..

It means that if a track meter shows clipping, it isnt really clipping?

can you explain what's going on in laymans terms

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:04 am

Floating point numbers in computers are approximate. 64-bit floating point numbers have less error than 32-bit floats. Other than that, there is no difference. And what you mentioned about clipping is true for both 64-bit and 32-bit mixing.

Somehow I don't think this discussion is what ModuLR intended with his post...

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:06 am

i'm sure its not.. but it is what i intended with mine

i wanted to know if its 'safe' to remove those meters.. and why.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:18 am

Short answer is yes, it's entirely safe.

Clipping is the last thing that happens to your audio before it's sent on its way (either to the disk or to the sound card), and it only happens once. At least that's the way it works in Tracktion, and other floating-point hosts.

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:27 am

thanks.. to test your patience a bit further if i may, and to check ive understood:

the 64bit mixing engine has nothing to do with this ie. the level meters in t1+2 are just visual mixing aids and not any kind of danger indicators?.. (and i can hapily turn them off too

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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:29 am

ModuLR wrote:I've removed all level meters from my tracks, except of course the master out. My mind has been freed from their distracting antics! just thought I'd share...

How?

and why?

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:42 am

cbit: Yeah, that's pretty much it. The fact that the mixing engine is floating-point is what gives you the extra dynamic range (meaning clipping isn't an issue at the track level). For a fixed-point host like SAW Studio, track level clipping is a problem. So it's not the number of bits, but how the bits are interpreted/used.

aMUSEd: Level meters are filters. Remove them like any other filter. Why? To remove visual distractions when trying to mix with only your ears.

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:44 am

thanks mod, wm, very useful info.

haydxn · Post by **haydxn** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:42 am

mod, what an excellent idea

they just take up space and i rarely look at them. oh, to have such options!

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:15 pm

I always look at those things.. Especially when mixing because I make sure everything is in an average of -6dB before running it through a multiband

FoxV · Post by **FoxV** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:15 pm

cool!

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:56 pm

An excellent idea. Will give it a try.

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