Tracktion Software

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:56 pm

ok.. This has probably been discussed before. But please bear with me...

I have one midi track in a session of lots of audiotracks, the midi track has SFZ with a string soundfont loaded. The sequence is not through and through, i have midi clips placed at the chorus sections.

very often, starting play from locations where there are no midi clips results in a hung midi note also playing.. . A few play/stops/relocating corrects the problem...

sidhu

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:15 pm

I've also been seeing random hung notes. I don't have any specific trigger point though. It doesn't happen with my other hosts/controllers though.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:20 pm

It's happening during playback right now. And if remember correctly, itr happened during record also...

Sidhu

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:37 pm

I get them during punch recording...

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:49 pm

the puch recording thing i think is the hanging first note issue.. modular has a just made a plug that seems to be taking care of it. The thread was out very recently... get hold of it.. ill try it too..

Sidhu

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:51 pm

Unfortunately Modular's stuff only works on Windows. And user workarounds don't make up for needed bug fixes though, regardless of how nice it is to have them.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:56 pm

braj wrote:...And user workarounds don't make up for needed bug fixes though, regardless of how nice it is to have them.

Very true.. espesially the almost there features.. they can really drive you nuts..

just remembered... the plug was for the first note being dropped, not hanging notes... But id suggest one still confirms...

So, how does one work ?

Sidhu

aldi · Post by **aldi** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:53 pm

if there are hung notes, it is the fault of the plugin not reacting on "all notes off" messages. tracktion does send it every time the user sets the playposition or it jumps back in time for looping. (this is the reason also for first note drop, some vst plugins don't play a note in the same call, when there was a "all notes off" message). try it yourself with a vst midimonitor. so jules have had to decide : doing it the right way (sending "all notes off") will cause some plugins to not play first note or hung notes. or doing it the cubase way. (sending "all notes off" and notes off for every note that is being played. till that, we will have hung notes and droped notes on some plugins.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:01 am

Yes, but i get the hung note when i play the session for the first time. Withought it having once reached a midi clip.

I need a better understanding of this..

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:38 am

I get hung notes regardless of the plugins

My other host that uses the same VSTs doesn't (Live4). Logic doesn't when using AU.

It's not that bad for me, but when it happens it is annoying. Because of this, I wouldn't ever recommend using Tracktion during a live gig, though it isn't really designed for that anyway. I just hope it will get fixed.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:43 am

I think jules will have to employ a "cant lick em join em" attitude towards this issue... cause it doesnot seem to be working out...

Sidhu

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:27 pm

In the 18 months or so I have been "here", hung notes have repeatedly been reported. It is a seperate issue to the dropped notes, which as you already know were reported.

So far as I can tell, the emphasis with T2 has been the addition of the new features, rather than responding to the BR made on this forum.

I think that you may have to accept that both "dropped" and "hung" notes are here to stay, at least for now. The Tracktion "journey" is moving in a different direction now, and with a different driver at the wheel

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:45 pm

headquest wrote:In the 18 months or so I have been "here", hung notes have repeatedly been reported. It is a seperate issue to the dropped notes, which as you already know were reported.

So far as I can tell, the emphasis with T2 has been the addition of the new features, rather than responding to the BR made on this forum.

I think that you may have to accept that both "dropped" and "hung" notes are here to stay, at least for now. The Tracktion "journey" is moving in a different direction now, and with a different driver at the wheel

oh dear!! i dont like the sound of that....

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:03 am

headquest wrote:In the 18 months or so I have been "here", hung notes have repeatedly been reported. It is a seperate issue to the dropped notes, which as you already know were reported.

So far as I can tell, the emphasis with T2 has been the addition of the new features, rather than responding to the BR made on this forum.

I think that you may have to accept that both "dropped" and "hung" notes are here to stay, at least for now. The Tracktion "journey" is moving in a different direction now, and with a different driver at the wheel

I agree that these issues need to be fixed, and quite possibly should have been for T2. I don't personally mind them, as I just work around them if I have to, but yes, they are very well known bugs, and need fixed. I don't know how deep into the T code Jules would have to go to fix it internally, but I'm sure he'll figure it out. But to say that these SHOULD definately be fixed by now is simply a mis-informed opinion. The reason being, that NOBODY here, myself included, can even begin to know how deep the code for T is. And fixing these problems is probably alot more difficult than we know. So I highly doubt that with Jules and Mackie knowing about these problems that they just sat back and ignored it. And no, Mackie didn't "ruin" the progress of Tracktion. It just matured, and isn't quite as easy to code as it used to be.

Which brings me to this. Why do people here automatically blame Mackie for things not going the way they wanted? Why is Mackie automatically evil? If I recall, and others can confirm this, Jules pretty much couldn't keep up here as it was, and was overwhelmed. So Mackie took him on, allowed him to focus on coding, and in the meantime put forth a large ad budget, and alot of energy for T. Jules alone could not get the exposure that Mackie can. And not a single person here can come up with any proof that Jules is not in control any more, so why imply that?

Anyway, that's all I have to say. I may or may not say anything else. And if I don't, then oh well, probably nobody listens anyway.

Koolkeys

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:22 pm

i was trying to figure my note hanging problem.

What is happening is if I were to start play of my midi clip (pads, so longer sustained notes, upto 4 bars each) but stop playback before i reach the end of a midi note (i just playback a bar or so) Tracktion does not seem to be sending a noteoff message to the instrument.

So when i playback again, from whereever, the midi note continues playing. If i go back to the section where the clip isand play the edit through the clip, the problem is resolved.

Though i think if T was not sending a note off message, then the note should continue playing even when i stop playback. But i dont know how tracktion handles this.

sidhu

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