When you're working on other parts of the mix of course! Duh!! Its not f**king rocket science.headquest wrote:Hmmm... I must be missing something. Can you explain to me when it is useful to freeze tracks and not be able to mix them?
First of all: I bet you any amount of money you can't hear a 24-bit truncation. Second: if you enable Tracktion's dither, you will get dithered renders. Third: even if Tracktion had no dither, whats to stop you dropping a third party dither plug onto the track before you render? And failing all that: there's a bloody export function aswell.headquest wrote: As I understand it though, in Live when you bounce a clip like this, the software doesn't take it upon itself to arbitrarily downscale the audio bit-depth without dithering, as Tracktion does
OK... so when you've worked on the "other parts" how do you mix them together with the frozen ones? So far as I can tell you have to unfreeze them all and render (at that all-important lower bit-depth). So why not cut to the chase and do that in the first place?platinumears wrote: When you're working on other parts of the mix of course! Duh!! Its not f**king rocket science.
No, you misunderstand. It will show midi in the bottom edit pane of the screen, but T will show it in the actual timeline in relation to the rest of the tracks. So composing midi in relation to audio is more of a chore. Just a minor thing, but something that I find useful in T.headquest wrote:erm... it does.braj wrote: Now, if Live let me edit midi directly in the arrange track, then I may feel completely opposite.
I really don't know what you aren't getting here. "How do you mix them with the frozen ones?".. what does that mean? The frozen tracks are already being mixed with the unfrozen ones, which is why you can hear the full arrangment.. you don't need to unfreeze before you export the final mix.. if you need to adjust the frozen tracks, unfreeze them all at once (so it happens straight away) and spend 5 seconds thinking about what you aren't going to need to change for the next half hour or so, and can therefore be frozen.headquest wrote: OK... so when you've worked on the "other parts" how do you mix them together with the frozen ones? So far as I can tell you have to unfreeze them all and render (at that all-important lower bit-depth). So why not cut to the chase and do that in the first place?
In fact, Tracktion's freeze worked so well for me that I continued to use my old PC for about a year after I would have upgraded had I stuck with Cubarse, and only finally bought a new box when that old 1.4GHz thing died a couple of weeks ago.what do you mean? i just rendered a file and it was 24 bit. how is that any kind of all-important anything?headquest wrote: So far as I can tell you have to unfreeze them all and render (at that all-important lower bit-depth).
That's a bit off, I think we went over this and you could have two separate freeze types without it being overly complicated. Something like an automated render and mute, then hide the muted track. Just because you don't want/like it doesn't mean it is a bad idea. I don't think you've thought it through properlyplatinumears wrote: Besides, we've been through this countless times before: no-one has yet been able to describe any "improved" freeze functionality that does not dissolve into nightmare over-complexity when you actually bother to think it through properly.
You seem to have conveniently forgotten the Vol / Pan filter issues.. when you unfreeze the track, what happens to the Vol / Pan filter you used to adjust the "frozen" version?braj wrote:That's a bit off, I think we went over this and you could have two separate freeze types without it being overly complicated. Something like an automated render and mute, then hide the muted track. Just because you don't want/like it doesn't mean it is a bad idea. I don't think you've thought it through properly
Gotcha, and yes that is one of Tracktion's useful featuresbraj wrote: No, you misunderstand. It will show midi in the bottom edit pane of the screen, but T will show it in the actual timeline in relation to the rest of the tracks. So composing midi in relation to audio is more of a chore. Just a minor thing, but something that I find useful in T.
That's not at all what I meanplatinumears wrote: I really don't know what you aren't getting here. "How do you mix them with the frozen ones?".. what does that mean? The frozen tracks are already being mixed with the unfrozen ones, which is why you can hear the full arrangment.. you don't need to unfreeze before you export the final mix..
...if you need to adjust the frozen tracks, unfreeze them all at once (so it happens straight away) and spend 5 seconds thinking about what you aren't going to need to change for the next half hour or so, and can therefore be frozen.
I wish I could do the whole mixing process in 5 seconds (i.e. before the CPU spikes). Is that really your "workaround"?! If other hosts can do it, I'm certain there is a way. I'm not the developer so I'm not going to rack my brain trying to figure it out. That's not my job. But as I said, it could likely be done through automating existing features in T.platinumears wrote:You seem to have conveniently forgotten the Vol / Pan filter issues.. when you unfreeze the track, what happens to the Vol / Pan filter you used to adjust the "frozen" version?braj wrote:That's a bit off, I think we went over this and you could have two separate freeze types without it being overly complicated. Something like an automated render and mute, then hide the muted track. Just because you don't want/like it doesn't mean it is a bad idea. I don't think you've thought it through properly
And how do you explain to newbies that, yes Tracktion has two differently named ways to do the same bloody thing, and its just because some people couldn't be arsed to manually mute their source MIDI track..
wtf are you talking about? Are you being deliberately dense? I said: spend 5 seconds thinking about what you won't need to adjust for the next half an hour or so, as this can then be frozen. Which part of that sentence don't you understand?headquest wrote:
Other hosts restrict to to one volume control per track, and don't allow you to insert effects after the volume control. If thats the way you want to work, use Logic or Sonar.braj wrote:If other hosts can do it, I'm certain there is a way.
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