T2 vs. Sonar4: Got any "hands-on" experience?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It doesn't even bear debate. It's completely illogical, Captain.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Cabinfever's point is true in the limited comparisson between Sonar and Tracktion. Sonar costs more, and has more features. If you do a quick scan of the titles of the threads on this forum you will see straight away that the majority of the feature requests for future releases of Tracktion are for features that Sonar already has. It's that simple.
SOmetimes it isn't that simple of course. In the UK Cubase costs £200 more than Sonar, and I personally can't see why that is. The feature lists look similar. So in that sense, Sonar represents better value for money than Cubase.
Considering that so many of Tracktion's users want the features offered by Sonar you need to consider why they don't just buy Sonar instead of T2... For some, my gues is that they can't actually afford to (students, etc). But for others, they prefer Tracktion's approach and have actually chosen to leave behind Sonar/Cubase and migrate to Tracktion, even in spite of its more meagre feature set. This is because they find it more productive to work with. They clearly want Sonar's features from the requests that are being repeatedly made. But they don't want to work "the Sonar/Cubase way". This is important to check out.
Regarding Cakewalk HS being a pain, it would be a mistake to compare that with Sonar 4. HS is based on Sonar v2. The version 3 update was "revolutionary rather than evolutionary", which means that SOnar 4 is unrecognisable from HS 2004. Try the Sonar demo and see how very different it has become .
SOmetimes it isn't that simple of course. In the UK Cubase costs £200 more than Sonar, and I personally can't see why that is. The feature lists look similar. So in that sense, Sonar represents better value for money than Cubase.
Considering that so many of Tracktion's users want the features offered by Sonar you need to consider why they don't just buy Sonar instead of T2... For some, my gues is that they can't actually afford to (students, etc). But for others, they prefer Tracktion's approach and have actually chosen to leave behind Sonar/Cubase and migrate to Tracktion, even in spite of its more meagre feature set. This is because they find it more productive to work with. They clearly want Sonar's features from the requests that are being repeatedly made. But they don't want to work "the Sonar/Cubase way". This is important to check out.
Regarding Cakewalk HS being a pain, it would be a mistake to compare that with Sonar 4. HS is based on Sonar v2. The version 3 update was "revolutionary rather than evolutionary", which means that SOnar 4 is unrecognisable from HS 2004. Try the Sonar demo and see how very different it has become
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
You're mixing up 2 points.headquest wrote:Cabinfever's point is true in the limited comparisson between Sonar and Tracktion. Sonar costs more, and has more features. If you do a quick scan of the titles of the threads on this forum you will see straight away that the majority of the feature requests for future releases of Tracktion are for features that Sonar already has. It's that simple.
As a logical statement, "you get what you pay for" has absolutely no merit. However, it's true that Sonar costs more and has more features. They're not related.I hope you understand that, because I don't know how to make it simpler.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Yes I do understand your point. My illustration using Cubase and Sonar was used to support your view - which I agree with - while also putting Cabinfever's point into context, i.e. in the case of Sonar/Tracktion spending more gets you more features.
I think that whichever of thw two anybody buys, they are getting incredible features per pound/dollar (and I'm thinking back to the day when you had to mortgage the house to spend an evening in a studio somewhere!)
I think that whichever of thw two anybody buys, they are getting incredible features per pound/dollar (and I'm thinking back to the day when you had to mortgage the house to spend an evening in a studio somewhere!)
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Now THAT's a statement I'd stand behind 100%.
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
i basically agree with headquest too. is this a thread in imminent danger of ending with everyone agreeing !?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
It happens, when people say reasonable things. Say unreasonable things and I'll debate with you until page 50 of a thread. I'm just that obstinate.
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
A large portion of my paid work is video / film soundtrack stuff. And T works just fine. (And it's fun to use! But don't tell anyone.) The NLE and director cut the heart and soul out of it anyways. 
Surround? Yikes, I'm thrilled if my exquisitely crafted stereo mix isn't reduced to a monofied mp3 by some 'production decision'. I view surround mixing as something that happens after mixing the music. Although there is something appealing about the sax flying around the room during the car chase...
Surround? Yikes, I'm thrilled if my exquisitely crafted stereo mix isn't reduced to a monofied mp3 by some 'production decision'. I view surround mixing as something that happens after mixing the music. Although there is something appealing about the sax flying around the room during the car chase...-
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- KVRian
- 1088 posts since 11 Sep, 2004 from 45° 31' 60N 73° 28' 60W
Haw shuck, I went to bed last night thinking they'd be a host war going on by the morning; where did this thread go wrong?
Quote of the day: "If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names."--Elbert Hubbard 1856-1915
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
headquest stumbled upon the golden secret: speak to each sequencer's strengths rather than their weaknesses.
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nuisance sonore nuisance sonore https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=40314
- KVRian
- 1088 posts since 11 Sep, 2004 from 45° 31' 60N 73° 28' 60W
Ha, ok; as long as it stays a secret; we don't want this board to go all smootchy fuzzy on us now, don't we.
Quote of the day: "If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names."--Elbert Hubbard 1856-1915
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
Hmmm
I really like T2 so far, for those features I miss here I'll most certainly get Sonar 4 SE.
(better freeze, looping, better loop recording, all in IMHO)
You can't beat T for getting things done quick (for now).
k
I really like T2 so far, for those features I miss here I'll most certainly get Sonar 4 SE.
(better freeze, looping, better loop recording, all in IMHO)
You can't beat T for getting things done quick (for now).
k
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TexasMusicForge TexasMusicForge https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=37859
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 159 posts since 21 Aug, 2004 from Austin, Texas
Imagine my surprise to log in this morning and find a wealth o' info and a plethora of pundits pontificating - thank you, ladies'n'gents, for your opinions and thought processes.
Given that I've got Acid and Sound Forge for making loops, tend not to muck about with a mixer overly much (owing to my quaint, old-skool habit of getting the sound recorded correctly instead of fixing it in the mix), the entry-level status of my film/video scoring tool requirements and my limited MIDI requirements, T2 is sounding better and better. I deeply appreciate the good arguments for Sonar 4's strong points and will be closely looking at each (as well as waiting until May for T2's official release to see what kind of special sales or incentives are offered).
Bartender! A round of drinks for all of my friends here who have been helping me...
Cheers,
Tio Ed
Given that I've got Acid and Sound Forge for making loops, tend not to muck about with a mixer overly much (owing to my quaint, old-skool habit of getting the sound recorded correctly instead of fixing it in the mix), the entry-level status of my film/video scoring tool requirements and my limited MIDI requirements, T2 is sounding better and better. I deeply appreciate the good arguments for Sonar 4's strong points and will be closely looking at each (as well as waiting until May for T2's official release to see what kind of special sales or incentives are offered).
Bartender! A round of drinks for all of my friends here who have been helping me...
Cheers,
Tio Ed
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- KVRAF
- 3125 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
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- KVRist
- 68 posts since 9 Jul, 2003
I agree that people will just find other ways of doing things because of how fun Tracktion is to use. If tracktion was not around I would be using Nuendo/logic or Samplitude. Nuendo/logic where my main software packages (at the studio) But once you learn Tracktion they (nuendo/logic) just are not fun anymore.