Tracktion Software

music55 · Post by **music55** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:20 pm

I usually work in tracktion with audio clips. Ok, once a audio clip is recorded, it is available at project window. You can delete from the arrange window, but the clip is still "available" if you want to place it again ( i know, because there is an audio file recorded in the HD). But....midi clips, once you record a midi clip, why it is not "stored" in the project like audio clips, such away you can delete and recover the clip in the arrange windows.....Do I really need to render each recorded midi clip to a file??? am I forgeting some basics things?

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:28 pm

a good suggestion!

music55 · Post by **music55** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:33 pm

do you main it is not an actual feature ????????, so basic and usefull and it does not exist????? midi are simple data, less than audio, it is so difficult to get this feature????

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:35 pm

don't think so... Never seen it on any other sequencer either! But its a nice idea.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:43 pm

it is a nice idea - when u import a midi file it is then available in the project window. It would be nice to have any clips you record availabel - but could it not get a little messy once you start merging & splitting clips etc.? Maybe somekind of right click option to 'make midi clip available in pool'?

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:44 pm

This would also allow you to revert to earlier clips etc. if u realise at some point that you have cocked something up - i suppose.

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:45 pm

Maybe somekind of right click option to 'make midi clip available in pool'?

right!

valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:50 pm

the downside of course is that MIDI arrangements tend to be made up of thousands of individual MIDI clips[1], so the arrange page would get really untidy in a hurry.

[1] unless you are lazy like me and flog the same drum beat ad-nauseum.

valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:51 pm

semiquaver wrote:
Maybe somekind of right click option to 'make midi clip available in pool'?
right!

Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

music55 · Post by **music55** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:05 pm

Yes , it will be a very usefull feature, but let me say....I am very surprised. You normally generate the most of your music material by recording within the sequencer (midi and audio). Differents audio takes from the same melody, chords, whatever, are always stored and available to edit the final song.This is a basic principle of music editing.
In case of midi....once a clip is recorded, do you really have to let this clip placed in the arranged windows???? if you record in midi a few differents ideas,do you need to export as midi files to get it avalilable????. I dont know others hosts, but for me it is a very basic editing feature..again I am surprised.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:12 pm

Like valley said - the project window could quickly get seriously messy - unless there is some kind of hierarchical structure there that I am unaware of (dont use it all that much really). The choice to do this would be useful though - it would save a few mouseclicks (rendering midi) & would add one more feather to T's 'ease of use' & 'workflow' caps - & it seems to me that the simple efficient workflow paradigm T uses is what got it noticed by a lot of people.

music55 · Post by **music55** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:22 pm

I think it is not complicate.Audio clips are referenced with a name, and it is stored in the pool, why not midi clips too?. I think it is not more messy than the actual phylosophy of the pool, as simple as more clips vailable in the pool.Whatever arrange you want to do, big or small, every midi clip will have its name. Simple and usefull.

chico.co.uk · Post by **chico.co.uk** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:32 pm

Audio clips are seperate files in tracktion. Midi clips are not. Every midi clip would have to be rendered as a seperate file for this to work, or there would have to be a section of the tracktion edit that holds information about unused midi clips (with names) just in case you might want them in future. In a big project, that would increase the size of the tracktion edit, and it's corresponding load time etc. I can't personally see any benefit to this idea, I would never use it. I never use the projects screen to "pool" audio either though. Horses for courses, I guess. And you'd have to name each midi clip meaningfully, or otherwise memorise which ones were wanted, and which were rubbish. The right click idea might work for that i suppose ...

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midi clips....where ??????