Tracktion 2 sounds better!

[Sidhu]

well if that kind of attitude is all that matters then why do people bother buying 192kHz hardware,

Can you hear the difference between 96 and 192 ? I dont know anyone who has stated that they can.. i sure cant. Very often ppl. buy the 192 converterr cause it's got better conversion at 44.1

run dual processors and use a full-blown analogue suite of top of the range processors and signal paths?

Dual processors have nothing to do with sound. High end Analog gear usually sounds better than digital.

if you're any good you can get the best sound from typing binary into an old dos system!

one gotto be REALLY good to able to do that!

having 64bit mixing is great. it won't matter to some people, but it may well make the world of difference to others. enhanced fidelity at any stage in processing is never 'just marketing fluff'. it can be put to use and gives just that extra bit of juice.

I dont think anyones really debating that.

[rpc9943]

agreed. Good post cookie

RONC

[haydxn]

yeah, i think you probably missed the point of what i was saying

some people are saying that 64bit mixing is purely a mackie marketing cherry. my point is that any advance in technology gives us the extra capacity to push things harder, or a little extra room to be able to try different things without so many worries. i'm fully aware that dual processors don't give you 'better sound'.. but people will still want to buy into them because they can do more with them. people buy 192kHz technology because they can do more/better things with them. people will be able to make use of 64bit mixing too somewhere along the line. this was just aimed at those dismissing enhancements as 'fluff'. [because you may not have noticed that some people are saying just that]

[Sidhu]

Oh!

[semiquaver]

not everyone can hear a difference between 96 and 192, no. Because there are some real hardware issues with regard to those very high sample rates - some hardware may actually offer less resolution at the higher rate! But an internal mixbuss is different - because fp error will be included in the sample itself and degrade performance no matter what ouptut device is used.

[Barbarossa]

C00kie made the point.
What i try to tell you is, that you are fooled by the industry and are concentrating on completely wrong aspects of music production, if you believe, 64bit will give you a better sound.
Yes, it's way easier to buy new equipment and receive a good feeling of another leap forward than to make good mixes with the existing gear.

Come on, don't you ever listen to the demosongs with critical, neutral ears? 95% simply sound CRAP. That is the hard truth. The mixing in 95% of all songs has HUGE errors but the people are talking about mastering and how great 64bit will be for their mixes...
And we are talking about the technical not the musical aspects only...

I see the picture of a Neanderthal sitting in front of a computer and demanding, that he needs a dual-core CPU...

To me it seems, the technical aspects are also not clear. 64bit can only be useful, if heavy, very heavy processing on the tracks takes place. The processing must be that heavy, that the 32bit-float-format would introduce audible truncation errors.

And sorry, i don't give anything about ppl claiming to hear differences, because the human ear can be very easily be influenced by a lot of factors.
A new equipment or feature is a very efficient placebo.

[IIRs]

The processing must be that heavy, that the 32bit-float-format would introduce audible truncation errors.

..unless you reverse the phase of the tachyon field generator and immediately go to warp speed..

[semiquaver]

Barbarossa - what could possibly be the harm in having as much resolution and headroom as possible? especially when it is very inexpensive to implement ? Some T user may be doing excellent mixes with high quality source material. Just because you can't detect a difference its no reason to be cross.

[.jon]

I welcome the bit doubling as long as it won't burn my CPU more than before.

[GYang]

My dad is not afraid of anybody. He still uses my first PC, an Olivetti 8088 based XP (hmmm, seen those letters before) on 4MHz with floppy disks that can only store 360kB. He runs WP4.2 on Dos3.3. And his system boots up faster (from floppy!) than my giga-super-duper tomorrow's machine! And he still writes the same letters as he would do with a Windows-based system, or a type writer for that matter

Very funny comparison. But this vintage system does not allow him to surf on Internet and share his writings with other (what might turn to be good)

[oxbee]

c'mon guys. most of your sound quality belongs to your ears.

There is not absolute theory when it comes to audio but a lame 24bit/96khz system will always sound harsher than an excellent 16bit/48khz system.

If you want real high-end, go get money and buy high-end. So maybe you will have a real difference.

Tracktion is using 64bit to allow better calculation on low level signals by allowing a crazy dynamic.
But who cares about such dynamics when everything is compressed as hell?

It's the same debate than hardware VA synth vs VSTi. The problem is not "which sounds better?" but "who is the manufacturer of this sound?". Experienced manufacturers like Roland/Nordlead/etc... have a huge advance and experience compared to the new comers who create VSTi be it free or commercial.

Same thing for you. If yo know how to make it sounds, it will sound no matter of 32bit vs 64bit or so.
Check what these guys do in 64kb(they extracted the Viruz2 VSTi synth from their work).

http://www.theprodukkt.com/

Now you will know what using your tools efficiently (over excess) really means !