Mute clips

[haydxn]

i think you're being a bit pedantic there, lm!

tbh i personally class it as a workaround, because there are steps you must take to mute a clip that aren't just 'muting a clip'.

[Lunch Money]

That's faulty logic. I'm a bit pedantic, it's true. That's partially because it seems that lately when people do something in an unconventional way in T, it's labeled as a 'workaround', or in other words that the functionality wasn't already included.

Well, the functionality IS already included, by design. T uses object-oriented clips. Volume filters can be applied to objects. Volume filters have a mute button that remembers previous volume settings.

Hence, no workaround.

[haydxn]

well, yeah it is a workaround as you have to put a volpan filter onto a clip to be able to mute it!

by your reasoning and logic ANY feature not yet implemented in T that has alternative methods is inherently ALREADY included in T, but in its own way.

so yes, there are NO workarounds for ANYTHING because T already has a way of doing them. but i think you're missing the point of the word workaround.

[Crossinger]

I disagree with the term 'workaround', though. The function is inherent in Tracktion. Sure, there are ways it could work better, but that doesn't make the existing method a 'workaround'.

That's exactly how I would define a "workaround":

Using the program's inherent functions to achieve a result were no direct methods exist.

Again: This is not "clip-mute", instead it is "how we can use T's filters to make a clip shut up!"

A true method doesn't need a filter/plugin or whatever! That's different to "it could work better"

J.

EDIT: Sometimes I should use the reload button of my browser... 15 Minutes to sort out my poor English and everything was said already...

[semiquaver]

1) the workaraound does not work for MIDI clips. 2) I don't know but I'll bet that a clip is still read off the disk when it has a muted volume filter in it - a "true" mute would save some resources. This is not hard to do - I am sure we will get it in a point update or two.

[Lunch Money]

haydxn: we're all entitled to different perspectives.

semiquaver: the MIDI clips thing is true.

I don't know why everyone's got such a horn-on for clip muting, though. Arrange your effing song properly.

[semiquaver]

Lets say you want to try a section without a particular lick your fab steel guitar track that you recorded. You erase the clip - continue working but later repent. You have to find the clip and bring it in - and place it (not always easy). Or you could add a track, mute it, and move the clip there while you think about it. Now imagine its not a single lick you want to prune but a bunch of clips dotted around over a few tracks. Well you could drag little volume filters into each and mute them - then you have to find them all to unmute them... well it gets messy as you can see.

And there are aother uses for muted clips - you could use them to hold midi cc automation and place them with clips that house notes - then you can toggle the automation and move it arround with the clips. Other uses would become clear once you have the capability.

Here's a maybe idea: the keystroke F mutes filters - it could mute clips too and they could display with the same cross that filters use. You could even have it muste individual midinotes - any object could receive a "mute" message...

[djsubject]

I don't know why everyone's got such a horn-on for clip muting, though. Arrange your effing song properly.

sorry LM but i realy miss mute clips

maby i should lurn to arrange my effing song properly

[Lunch Money]

semiquaver-- in your first example, I would slip edit. In your second example, I simply wouldn't use it. The clip is garbage and I'd re-do it.

I've never muted a clip, even with the 'workaround' method. I've never needed to mute a clip, and not once in my entire time spent recording and arranging songs have I thought, "damn, I wish I could mute this clip". Any time I've needed muting, it was because it complements the entire arrangement to not have that part heard.

So, when I have parts I don't want heard, I simply freaking remove them. Slip-edit is non-destructive, too.

Hence, it's strictly my personal opinion, but: I don't understand why muting clips gives people the horn. Learn to arrange.

Greg

[braj]

LM, not everyone has the same needs.

[diverdee]

Muting clips can be useful when your still not sure on the arrangement you want - so for example you set up 3 or 4 rows containing various midi clips all set to trigger the same vsti etc. - you can then mute & unute various ones as you work out exactly how you want the arrangement to work. Once you've got that sorted you copy/move the right ones to one track - voila you're done - even if the 'workaround/function' using vol pan filters did work with midi - it would be a bit faffy. The same would go for audio I suppose - with different tracks containing clips of audio. It all depends on the way you work, but to dismiss it almost out of hand because it doesn't fit in with your personal methodology is a bit off really, and I say that with the utmost respect mate.

[semiquaver]

Greg - some of us are not infallable and like to try an arrangement idea out before committing once in a whlie. And note that with MIDI clips once they are erased they are not recoverable.

[diverdee]

so in the case of midi clips (which is what i mainly work with - at least initially, part of my methodology as it were ), the workaround is more like a doesn't-workaround isn't it?

[braj]

Mute Clips would make giving up Live4 altogether easier. Give me that and better timestretch and I'd only need one host.

[diverdee]

Yeah I was playing with live on a friends laptop earlier today & the ease with which we could rearrange & play with clips was a revelation. the ability to mute midi clips so that I could easily preview arrangement variations in T would be a great help, coupled with folder tracks it would be phenomenal. Live was cool, blew me away, but I still missed T's simple interface & way of performing some tasks, I kept trying to use the bloody mouse wheel to navigate my way round y'know?