dear sirs and madams

[Lunch Money]

Lee,

I don't mind beating a dead horse, because it has to be said: at 1.6ms there is no way in hell you should be hearing a delay or a chorused effect. At 8ms, I'm not hearing one, and I can play in realtime. At 8ms, there are some people who will notice the slight lag, but none of my 4 guitar-player friends (plus myself) have a problem with it, so this IS all coming from a guitar-player's perspective.

If your hardware's reporting your latency accurately, Amplitube is the only plug-in in your chain, and you don't have any high-latency plug-ins in the master channel (you HAVE checked the master channel and cleared it, I hope. ) then the only thing other than your hardware that it can be is Amplitube.

Try the demo for Green Machine II and see if you're still getting noticeable latency.

And make sure Amplitube doesn't have any delay/reverb/chorus effects enabled. <chuckle>

Greg

[Mr. Tingle]

I'm pretty sure what your experiencing is listening to the signal both before AND after it enters your laptop.

This is why you hear a chorusing effect.

Turn off the zero latency output and listen only to Tracktion's output from the main master bus.

Et Voila!

[rpc9943]

OHHH wait. yes i was about to say the exact same thing! Listen just to tracktion's end to end output!

Blingo!

RoNC

[Graeme]

I'm pretty (s)ure what your experiencing is listening to the signal both before AND after it enters your laptop.

I've been telling him this since the thread started. After he posted this comment....;

....i still hear a slight, but doable delay. nothing that i couldn't live with. but i do notice it. and it does make the recorded guitar sound like it has a little tiny delay in the signal when monitoring. about the same amount of delay that happens when you use a chorus effect, but without the chorus, just the little delay. and when i bend a note, it choruses a little bit...if that makes sense... it gets a little phasey when i do bends.. maybe that's a little better an explanation of what im getting.

...I'm totally convinced this is the problem. However, he seems to have ignored this advice entirely and keeps trying to reduce the overall latency of the system, rather than trying to nail the real source of his troubles.

You can lead a horse to water.....

[Lunch Money]

Yes, I've been operating under the assumption that he's already tried that advice, since it's been given since the beginning of the thread.

[lharless]

i asked the guy about that with mackie. he said that i should have it set up right, the way that we had it. so i don't really know if that's the problem. but i did listen to you. i'm sorry i didn't address that in any posts. and thanks for the advice

but i may be still yet listening to the ingoing signal and the monitored signal both. but i have studied the setup and i don't see anyway to do it any different than i have it now, which the mackie guy said was proper. i am not hearing two sources. i am hearing a delay in time, before i hear the signal back out of the monitors. i don't know if this is latency or not. am i still doing something incorrectly?

i think ill be ok with it if it's irritating you guys. you don't have to fool with me anymore, haha! ill just call the mackie guys if im not happy with my setup. i got alot done in five minutes on the phone with that guy. they (as you guys do) know their stuff and we can get it done over the phone instead of doing these posts and having to wait for responses.

i really thank you guys for being patient with me. im kinda dingy when it comes to this setup stuff.

i can operate the software fine when im recording and mixing. it's the setup that's the pain.

thanks again!

fin

[gavriloP]

Hi,
I just downloaded Onyx Manual out of curiosity (because this sounds so bizarre) and even though I haven't used the real thing ever I thought of something regarding the zero-latency monitoring...

Assuming you are using your monitors and headphones from CONTROL ROOM OUTPUTS you have to put off the direct monitoring (aka. zero-latency monitoring)from the MAIN MIX button in the CONTROL ROOM/PHONES SOURCE section. That button shouldn't be on in your case. If you have already done this, then it must be something else. This info is in Onyx Firewire Owner's manual PDF, in section Studio Recording Tutorial (step 14).

That 1.5 ms latency is so small I bet no one could hear it. As I recall the sound itself moves only about one feet or 30 cm in one millisecond!

[Mr. Tingle]

yes, if you stand an extra 6feet away from your speakers its the equivalent of adding an extra 1.5ms latency (or something close to that).

[lharless]

disengage main mix. listen thru cr section w/ main mix off. im going to look at this next. thought i would have caught this myself, having read the manual extensively. you may have something there.

do you suppose i should also disengage the main mix button on each channel as well? they would all effectively become disengaged when the main mix button was off in the cr section, dont you think, or am i mistaken?

[lharless]

i feel like a retard in a room full of bouncy balls here...

[Lunch Money]

I'm too tired to respond, so hopefully someone will have a good answer for you soon-- but I feel we're getting close, Lee. Your bouncy ball room shall pay dividends.

Greg

[Mr. Tingle]

do you suppose i should also disengage the main mix button on each channel as well? they would all effectively become disengaged when the main mix button was off in the cr section, dont you think, or am i mistaken?

I remember that the onyx sends the signal to the laptop pre-eq/fader, so you don't want to send the individual track to the main bus as well. At least that makes sense to me!

[lharless]

hey, get some rest. the sun's almost up here at6:09am est in virginia. ive been up for an hour. i need more sleep before i mess with anything myself. a biscuit sounds good right now, with some chocolate milk. five hrs of rest just isnt enough for me anymore.

[valley]

Lee: do me a favour, and set up a rough test like this one:

take a small snatch of recorded material that doesn't have the chorussy slap back effect. Paste it on a track, and then, on another track, paste another copy of the audio clip, but offset it by an amount roughly equal to double your latency. On this second, delayed, track, also add any effects you have active when recording.

If you play that edit, it should sound almost exactly like tghe effect you hear when recording. If it does, then that proves that some 'live' audio is getting mixed with the processed audio. This tells you two useful things: 1) you know what the problem is, and 2) you know you can get back in touch with Mackie support and coclusively say that things are *not* configured correctly.

[lharless]

roger that.

i understand what you're saying. if i am hearing two sounds, one before the next by just a litle bit of offset time, then im getting realtime guitar, and the effected together, which is not what i want to be hearing.

i want to be hearing the effected one only.

gotcha.

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tell you guys what... lemme do another round of listening and take in some of the advice that has been given over the last 24 hours and then ill see if that doesnt fix it. if it doesnt, ill just call the mackie guy back and have them walk me hand in hand around the mulberry bush and we'll get it taken care of that way.

i hate it that im having you guys to think about something that i could just make a call to get fixed. im sure its something that im doing wrong and it's probably such a simple thing that it may make somebody mad at me for not doing what they mentioned or something like that. so...

you understand what im saying.

i don't want to seem like the idiot that i am.

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