Well said, that person!bduffy wrote:Man...why not explain it, instead of calling him names if he doesn't see it your way? You can't assume people are going to "get" your views, especially if you're being aggresive and dismissing the notion of debate. Why invite a flaming session instead of friendly conversation?
Adobe to buy Macromedia for $3.4 billion
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
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- KVRist
- 303 posts since 23 Jun, 2004 from UK
right i'll be back L8R
regarding the election, what can we do then?
regarding the election, what can we do then?
... no time for unnecessary politeness nor a debate ...
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Vote tactically to reduce the majority? A smaller majority = less power = greater chance of opinions being listened to and heard?nocompromise wrote:right i'll be back L8R
regarding the election, what can we do then?
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- KVRist
- 303 posts since 23 Jun, 2004 from UK
err so thats a Green vote then?headquest wrote:Vote tactically to reduce the majority? A smaller majority = less power = greater chance of opinions being listened to and heard?nocompromise wrote:right i'll be back L8R
regarding the election, what can we do then?
... no time for unnecessary politeness nor a debate ...
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Leaving ideals aside one moment, I doubt that the Greens can take the seat in my constituency. So that would be a "protest vote", and not a "tactical vote".nocompromise wrote: err so thats a Green vote then?
After the London march of March 2003, I think we can now assume that ol' Tony pays absolutely no attention to the "protest" vote. So much as I hate to, I'll probably be going with the other alternative
Ideal world - a "hung" parliament would be good. Perhaps then we'll finally get "Proportional Representation", and a semblance of true democracy in the UK
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- KVRist
- 303 posts since 23 Jun, 2004 from UK
yeah but thats what gets me - the moral vote (as i see it for me & the world) is green.
they can't do anything meaningfull just now but i can't morally vote for anyone else.....
they can't do anything meaningfull just now but i can't morally vote for anyone else.....
... no time for unnecessary politeness nor a debate ...
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
... you might not care but some members are actually human with feelings and stuff you know ???
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Disclaimer: highly political!
The best thing you can do is to write, call, hound your representative. If they think they can get away with murder (literally) and no one will care, then they will. We have to speak louder than money. And, I say, vote for your party of choice - whether you think they'll get in or not - that is your right!
Any kind of resistance to - or even awareness of - elite power is a step towards change. You make the change in yourself, and others will follow. I'm seeing it happen around me; we are in an oddly opportune moment in time, because elite power is so rampant, so greedy, so obvious that the curtain is pulled back; you can fully see Tony Blair's devotion to power; how the US Democrats proffer a straw man to run a lame campaign and hand over the election; how the war in Iraq (and perhaps ANY war) is not fought for any of the public reasons.
Being aware of these things will change you, you will not believe the "leaders'" lies anymore, and the people close to you will catch on. Sometimes I even think we could take power back from these irreverseably corrupt people...(cue inspirational music...)
The best thing you can do is to write, call, hound your representative. If they think they can get away with murder (literally) and no one will care, then they will. We have to speak louder than money. And, I say, vote for your party of choice - whether you think they'll get in or not - that is your right!
Any kind of resistance to - or even awareness of - elite power is a step towards change. You make the change in yourself, and others will follow. I'm seeing it happen around me; we are in an oddly opportune moment in time, because elite power is so rampant, so greedy, so obvious that the curtain is pulled back; you can fully see Tony Blair's devotion to power; how the US Democrats proffer a straw man to run a lame campaign and hand over the election; how the war in Iraq (and perhaps ANY war) is not fought for any of the public reasons.
Being aware of these things will change you, you will not believe the "leaders'" lies anymore, and the people close to you will catch on. Sometimes I even think we could take power back from these irreverseably corrupt people...(cue inspirational music...)
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I don't see voting entirely as a moral issue. I agree that the Green party present a worthy case, and I support many of their views. On the other hand, I don't have a lot of time for their candidate in my constituency - on our neighbourhood council he has made some duff decisions. So it's more complex... as usual.
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- KVRAF
- 1743 posts since 3 Dec, 2004
So you are a communist? or a socialist?nocompromise wrote:How about giving us all $50,000 a year to live and taking away everything else to make the world a better place.
I'm not saying Adobe shouldn't buy Macromedia if they happen to have $3.4 billion lying about.
What I'm saying is that they shouldn't have $3.4 billion in the first place!
sorry if anyone asked this yet...havent read all 6 pages yet..
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
I hear you. That's something that drives me nuts about these systems...but I'm sure anything would at least be better than Labour...and I assume you probably don't want the Conservative Party in!headquest wrote:I don't see voting entirely as a moral issue. I agree that the Green party present a worthy case, and I support many of their views. On the other hand, I don't have a lot of time for their candidate in my constituency - on our neighbourhood council he has made some duff decisions. So it's more complex... as usual.
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Wow, what a very political bunch we have here!
One question:
Why do so many of those who believe in far reaching conspiracy theories express such contempt for those who don't agree with their views??
I mean it's one thing to say that, e.g. the CIA killed MLK junior.
It is an entirely different thing to assert that anyone who doesn't agree with a statement like this a 'dupe' or an 'idiot' or a 'bible thumping moron'.
Why so much of this rude rhetoric?
Just curious.
One question:
Why do so many of those who believe in far reaching conspiracy theories express such contempt for those who don't agree with their views??
I mean it's one thing to say that, e.g. the CIA killed MLK junior.
It is an entirely different thing to assert that anyone who doesn't agree with a statement like this a 'dupe' or an 'idiot' or a 'bible thumping moron'.
Why so much of this rude rhetoric?
Just curious.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Erm...no! But realistically in our constituency - which is a "key marginal" - Labour and the Conservatives are the only two real runners.bduffy wrote:I hear you. That's something that drives me nuts about these systems...but I'm sure anything would at least be better than Labour...and I assume you probably don't want the Conservative Party in!
I agree with bits of all the parties, but if I could vote for just one policy - I would like less beaurocracy and red tape in the UK. It drives me nuts! But I wouldn't want that at the expense of investment in the public services, for example. And then again, I respect the principalled stand that the Liberals took over the War in Iraq. And I agree with the Greens on the environment...
SO the truth is that none of the parties really has my support overall at present
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Actually, I thought things had cleaned up here quite nicely after a rough start; everyone's speaking calmly and civil-like...no?herodotus wrote:...anyone who doesn't agree with a statement like this a 'dupe' or an 'idiot' or a 'bible thumping moron'.
Why so much of this rude rhetoric?...
Again, I hear you.headquest wrote:...the truth is that none of the parties really has my support overall at present
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- KVRAF
- 5703 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities
Yes, I was more commenting on a general trend I have been noticing, but point taken.bduffy wrote:Actually, I thought things had cleaned up here quite nicely after a rough start; everyone's speaking calmly and civil-like...no?herodotus wrote:...anyone who doesn't agree with a statement like this a 'dupe' or an 'idiot' or a 'bible thumping moron'.
Why so much of this rude rhetoric?...