Another thing IndiQa, about your CPU usage. That's not common for Tracktion. And while I don't know what is wrong in your setup, it's definately not normal. The common opinion is that T is VERY good on CPU, and I know mine is that way.
So something isn't set right in your system. I'm not saying that it's your fault, just that you may be missing something that could be changed to get your CPU down.
Koolkeys
FR: Notation editor
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Also, I don't even think the VST version of Final Mix is available, so it's not even possible to be running Final Mix in N-Track. So the setup ISN'T the same.
Koolkeys
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Well it's been called a bug here - including by you - for so long that it's a hard habit to drop!valley wrote:Do I really *have* to keep repeating myself? It is *not* a bug. Tracktion was doing something that could be considered to be basically useful. This causes a bunch of poorly written plugins to fall over themselves.headquest wrote: fix the 2-year old MIDI bug in an
Where is the bug that was fixed?
But "issue" may well be tortologically a better word for it, sure.
"Issue" may turn out to be a better word to describe the other "bugs" from T1 that are still in T2, which I know you and ModuLR are looking at, and that people have been discussing here. Time will hopefull tell.
And lots of us - including me several times - have already thanked you, mod and others for your efforts in helping to ideantify and solve these "issues".
In the quote above I was again pointing out how helpful (in this case, ModuLR) has been in taking things forward, and expressing a view that Jules could perhaps use more help... especially if Mackie (in the interests of competing with other products in drawing newcomers in) want to add come features that he may not feel so expert with (e.g. notation). As well as perhaps in sorting out the bugs/issues.
...so I really don't know why you have to be so crabby, Valley
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- KVRian
- 1171 posts since 21 Feb, 2004
yup anvil works well, I have it set up so i can compose in anvil and play inside anvil using tracktions vst's, then when I'm happy with what I have midi export. easy cheasyjtxx000 wrote:another vote for no notation editor...
another good midi notation editor: www.anvilstudio.com
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Besides composing using notation, is there any other things about Anvil that help in composing?maximilians1 wrote:yup anvil works well, I have it set up so i can compose in anvil and play inside anvil using tracktions vst's, then when I'm happy with what I have midi export. easy cheasyjtxx000 wrote:another vote for no notation editor...
another good midi notation editor: www.anvilstudio.com
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
guitar fretboard ote entry, drum editor, diatonic transpose, and probably a bunch of other stuff i can't remember. i haven't really used it since i got tracktion. oh and you can also buy accessories that will let you edit pitch bend and other CCs per note and print sheet music.
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- KVRist
- 66 posts since 12 Mar, 2004 from Fayetteville, TN
I’ll just put in my vote for adding notation to Traction, but doing it as a plug-in. It would be a big plus to me to be able to use notation right inside Traction, rather than having to shuffle between apps. If a reasonably priced plug-in was created for this, I’d certainly buy it.
--Carl
--Carl
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- KVRist
- 67 posts since 18 Mar, 2004
Count me in. I am definitely for kind of notation, even though I have Finale. Notation in Tracktion would make my life much easier. I have really difficulties to read what note each one of the rectangle represents. Especially when notes last a bar or more and are next to the octave lines (B and C notes). You have to follow the lines to the keyboard on the left. Not need at least for me to
I am not calling for full notation software with editing options etc. kind of helper to read the music.
Or it would be nice if somebody came with plugin or rewire version.
I am not calling for full notation software with editing options etc. kind of helper to read the music.
Or it would be nice if somebody came with plugin or rewire version.
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- KVRist
- 66 posts since 12 Mar, 2004 from Fayetteville, TN
That's why I suggested a plug-in. Not everyone needs or wants notation in Traction. If it was implemented as a plug-in, then only the people who want it would have to pay for it.
--Carl - happy to buy the plug-in if it's done well
--Carl - happy to buy the plug-in if it's done well
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 13 Aug, 2004
I agree with the plug-in paradigm. I had to jump ship to Sonar 4 when my first film score came around, but still love the whole "Tracktion Thing". Little yellow bricks just don't cut when it comes to string arrangements. My points:
1. Jules should seek outside help with this. "Adapt" a version of a pre-existing score editor, creating a synergistic relationship between two companies. There are plenty of score editors that would benefit from being associated with the rising star of Tracktion. Jules could create a new way of doing things here, as he is wont to do. I'd be hopping up and down in my seat to see how he would implement it. Perhaps treating it as a filter.
2. Importing and exporting midi files between two programs is a drag. Period. The reason we have Tracktion is workflow. I'm constantly making minute changes as I work.
3. The argument that most notation programs aren't good enough for really pro level output doesn't hold too much water. That's what Sibelius and Finale are for. Pretty good would be good enough for me. I'm not self publishing my symphony. It's just that standard notation is the language of music that I understand best, and the right tool for certain jobs.
4. This notation editor would not be a drain on computer resources if it were not being used. It wouldn't be hurting anybody. As for using up Jules' precious time, I and those who think like myself have as much claim on his time as those who demand a better time-stretching algorhythm, which is of little use to me. Again, outsourcing the job seems to be the only way. I would pay extra for this feature, let's make it optional, if some are so dead-set against it.
Some thoughts.
1. Jules should seek outside help with this. "Adapt" a version of a pre-existing score editor, creating a synergistic relationship between two companies. There are plenty of score editors that would benefit from being associated with the rising star of Tracktion. Jules could create a new way of doing things here, as he is wont to do. I'd be hopping up and down in my seat to see how he would implement it. Perhaps treating it as a filter.
2. Importing and exporting midi files between two programs is a drag. Period. The reason we have Tracktion is workflow. I'm constantly making minute changes as I work.
3. The argument that most notation programs aren't good enough for really pro level output doesn't hold too much water. That's what Sibelius and Finale are for. Pretty good would be good enough for me. I'm not self publishing my symphony. It's just that standard notation is the language of music that I understand best, and the right tool for certain jobs.
4. This notation editor would not be a drain on computer resources if it were not being used. It wouldn't be hurting anybody. As for using up Jules' precious time, I and those who think like myself have as much claim on his time as those who demand a better time-stretching algorhythm, which is of little use to me. Again, outsourcing the job seems to be the only way. I would pay extra for this feature, let's make it optional, if some are so dead-set against it.
Some thoughts.
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For he can creep.
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- KVRian
- 1022 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
Even cheaper. Use an emulator.paladium wrote:only ONE way to go for correct score editing printing
Buy a used atari ST and a copy of C-Lab notator
on ebay.
http://steem.atari.org
http://saint.atari.org
Used to play around with "Quartet" on that. Nostalgia overload.
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- KVRist
- 476 posts since 6 Aug, 2004
'Even cheaper. Use an emulator.'
You are right but you are wrong,
There never was a decent War***rez version
of Notator for Atari ST that worked for longer than 20 min. ,so you have to use the original
dongled version, and emulator/pc's can't use
the original dongle, so i was right
You are right but you are wrong,
There never was a decent War***rez version
of Notator for Atari ST that worked for longer than 20 min. ,so you have to use the original
dongled version, and emulator/pc's can't use
the original dongle, so i was right
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from NOLA
Like you, I use Finale in its various incarnations for almost everything to do with midi and then bring the finished staves into Tracktion as tonal click tracks for rehearsal/instrument. Long before the instruments are finished recording, I remove the midi tracks. The biggest problem with using midi is the amount of work and tweaking to make it sound alive, which is why I dont use the Garritan Orchestra product; it's quicker and probably cheaper to just record one violinist 6 times (move the mic and her position in the room)and downmix the 6 tracks into one.
I futzed about with T1 as soon as it was reviewed in CM and gave up after various quirks and glitches in the upgrade demos; msgs to Jules didn't help much; it wasn't until the Mackie offer that I got it to ever work consistently. I still switch between T1 NFR and Sonar 2.2 I wouldn't recommend making Tracktion an all singing - all dancing app by making another tabbed page for notation. When I want to take a picture I use an old SLR, take a Kodachrome picture and take it to Walgreens to chemically develop and digitise it on a CD - until digital cameras click when I want 'em to I'll stick with analogue. Notation/midi in Finale, noise reduction in DC Art, DAT on my Panasonic, horses for courses.
One off thread thing: I'd find a list of Processors, chip sets, Operating systems, system tweaks and buffer settings KNOWN by Jules to work, to be an extremely useful tool. My recording P-IV doesn't even have a print driver loaded much less a network card or MS-Word, and I still have drop outs and filter glitches.
I futzed about with T1 as soon as it was reviewed in CM and gave up after various quirks and glitches in the upgrade demos; msgs to Jules didn't help much; it wasn't until the Mackie offer that I got it to ever work consistently. I still switch between T1 NFR and Sonar 2.2 I wouldn't recommend making Tracktion an all singing - all dancing app by making another tabbed page for notation. When I want to take a picture I use an old SLR, take a Kodachrome picture and take it to Walgreens to chemically develop and digitise it on a CD - until digital cameras click when I want 'em to I'll stick with analogue. Notation/midi in Finale, noise reduction in DC Art, DAT on my Panasonic, horses for courses.
One off thread thing: I'd find a list of Processors, chip sets, Operating systems, system tweaks and buffer settings KNOWN by Jules to work, to be an extremely useful tool. My recording P-IV doesn't even have a print driver loaded much less a network card or MS-Word, and I still have drop outs and filter glitches.