HI
The new features post looks pretty in depth but I have one major up-date request and I imagine it is TOO major for now but here goes -
A FULL screen piano-roll, or midi edit screen - keep what is there if need be but at least give the option to spread the thing over the ENTIRE screen!
Is that so difficult given that this really is a sticky point for many users.
FEELING GENEROUS - Make the midi-edit/piano-roll DETACHABLE, this is especially nice for the increasing amouint of people who use 2 monitors - LOTS OF US.
Yea I know that means Tracktion loses its 1 screen thing - shit that was designed when people did not use dual monitors and you wouldn't have to use the feature if you did not want to.
I think this could be one of the biggest most popular updates that people would want.
Flipper.
Update the Midi edit!!!
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original flipper original flipper https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8999
- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
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- KVRian
- 1088 posts since 11 Sep, 2004 from 45° 31' 60N 73° 28' 60W
One question though, how can you see your midi events in relation to other tracks if it's full screen or detached and on another monitor?
If you can't (and that's my guess), I wouldn't want to work like that at all.
If you can't (and that's my guess), I wouldn't want to work like that at all.
Quote of the day: "If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names."--Elbert Hubbard 1856-1915
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
I'd like the ability to make it use the most available screen by a short cut, and I'm sure there is some way to use a second monitor effectively (VSTs locked open is what I'd do) but I agree with Ezy Ryder, editing in the timeline is part of what makes T great.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
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- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
Very rarely do I need to look at a clip I'm editing relative to other clips... the exception being drum clips. I'm more focused on that particular editing task... Expanding 2 or more tracks to view there relative note positioning, certainly seems like an option, but I'm for the editor being as big as possible by default! 
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- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
And another thing... Wasn't there a select all command in T1? Seems like I used to hit commnd A (which selected evrything on screen) them M, which set that group/section to cycle? Commnd A doesn't seem to work that way, or at all now? 
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
for cntrl / cmmnd-A to work you need to have one clip selected manually beforehand (ie - if you have a track selected instead and ctrl / cmmnd-A then all tracks will be selected) ... then 'm' just sets in / out markers to the start / end of currently selected clips ...
... this still works in T2 on PC using ctrl ... if it doesnt work on mac using cmmnd then apologies and thats a bug ...
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... this still works in T2 on PC using ctrl ... if it doesnt work on mac using cmmnd then apologies and thats a bug ...
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- Banned
- 237 posts since 7 Oct, 2004
Great idea !original flipper wrote:HI
The new features post looks pretty in depth but I have one major up-date request and I imagine it is TOO major for now but here goes -
A FULL screen piano-roll, or midi edit screen - keep what is there if need be but at least give the option to spread the thing over the ENTIRE screen!
Is that so difficult given that this really is a sticky point for many users.
FEELING GENEROUS - Make the midi-edit/piano-roll DETACHABLE, this is especially nice for the increasing amouint of people who use 2 monitors - LOTS OF US.
Yea I know that means Tracktion loses its 1 screen thing - shit that was designed when people did not use dual monitors and you wouldn't have to use the feature if you did not want to.
I think this could be one of the biggest most popular updates that people would want.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
O.K. maybe your right, it does if you select an item or track... but does that seem strange to manually select one item... to select all items? O.K. I guess if you were already working on a track, then selected command a it would seem to make sense... Hmmm
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
DHR53 wrote:O.K. maybe your right, it does if you select an item or track... but does that seem strange to manually select one item... to select all items? O.K. I guess if you were already working on a track, then selected command a it would seem to make sense... Hmmm
It makes perfect sense becuase Tracktion is context based so it does diffrent things depending on what you have selected. If you select a filter on the track and hit control-A it'll select every filter in the track, Same with clips. So you have to tell Tracktion what exactly you want to select first.
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 13 Jan, 2005
HI
I tend to be the opposite - when I am doing intricate midi editing the timeline or position of other tracks relative to the track I am editing have little to play in what I need - I inherently know whats going on in a track and tend to concentrate on the one thing - of course for an overview I might PLAY the track around the are of the edit - that is normally enough, just in case I go wildly out of sync with my edit.
With a full screen Midi edit page it would not be a problem to show 'collapsed' tracks at the top or bottom, as long as they don't intrude in a major way on the original idea of a maximum amount of screen space for a single track of editing.
What gets me with the whole thing of a GUI 'View' - which is obviously one if not the most talked about (and important) areas of a host is that
more effort is not put into giving people a lot more control over it, is a detachable Piano-Roll so difficult to implement, hell - even reason has it!
Look at the type of user 'management' Logic or SX have over screen sets/views - there are lots of things that people want from a host but what is more important than the 'Work enviroment' that is provided for the user, I think the Piano-roll idiom is a good starting point but I would go one further and say T2 needs to be able to break the GUI up into a more user orientated and editable format, as stated many people are now working with more powefull computers using multiple monitors - IMO an interface is missing the boat if it does not at the very least allow its gui to be stretched accross 2 monitors, this is an absolute bare minimum, Tracktion even has difficulty maintaining a vst on a second screen - as soon as you move to another track the last tracks vst (placed nicely on a second monitor view) disappears!
I hope if nothing else that Tracktions interface is developed to give the user a more customizable program, but please at least give us a detachable/2nd edit screen for midi and audio, you could also use it for racks, browsing ect.
Porpoise.
I tend to be the opposite - when I am doing intricate midi editing the timeline or position of other tracks relative to the track I am editing have little to play in what I need - I inherently know whats going on in a track and tend to concentrate on the one thing - of course for an overview I might PLAY the track around the are of the edit - that is normally enough, just in case I go wildly out of sync with my edit.
With a full screen Midi edit page it would not be a problem to show 'collapsed' tracks at the top or bottom, as long as they don't intrude in a major way on the original idea of a maximum amount of screen space for a single track of editing.
What gets me with the whole thing of a GUI 'View' - which is obviously one if not the most talked about (and important) areas of a host is that
more effort is not put into giving people a lot more control over it, is a detachable Piano-Roll so difficult to implement, hell - even reason has it!
Look at the type of user 'management' Logic or SX have over screen sets/views - there are lots of things that people want from a host but what is more important than the 'Work enviroment' that is provided for the user, I think the Piano-roll idiom is a good starting point but I would go one further and say T2 needs to be able to break the GUI up into a more user orientated and editable format, as stated many people are now working with more powefull computers using multiple monitors - IMO an interface is missing the boat if it does not at the very least allow its gui to be stretched accross 2 monitors, this is an absolute bare minimum, Tracktion even has difficulty maintaining a vst on a second screen - as soon as you move to another track the last tracks vst (placed nicely on a second monitor view) disappears!
I hope if nothing else that Tracktions interface is developed to give the user a more customizable program, but please at least give us a detachable/2nd edit screen for midi and audio, you could also use it for racks, browsing ect.
Porpoise.
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- KVRian
- 1022 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
When I was looking into Tracktion and other hosts, I did miss having the ability to just maximise a MIDI edit and just concentrate on that alone.
Braj's other post about a Zoom-To-Clip-And-Maximise-For-MIDI-Editing option button/key would go some way to solving this.
Braj's other post about a Zoom-To-Clip-And-Maximise-For-MIDI-Editing option button/key would go some way to solving this.
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- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
Seems like it would be easy to implement this... Can't figure out why anyone would be opposed to it really?
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
i can, it's the kind of thing that just takes T away from being T. having it at maximum zoom makes more sense than to take it away, because this is tracktion we're talking about.
if you really want to have the edit as a separate window then surely Tracktion just isn't for you. it just doesn't make sense in tracktion's way of working, whether it's easy to implement or not, and i'd be neither surprised nor disappointed to see it never happen.
if you really want to have the edit as a separate window then surely Tracktion just isn't for you. it just doesn't make sense in tracktion's way of working, whether it's easy to implement or not, and i'd be neither surprised nor disappointed to see it never happen.
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
Seems to be some confusion here... I'm for just maximizing the window, when you select a clip and hit z... Not putting it in a seperate window, or having a seperate midi editor. That's all