DnB snare sound
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- KVRAF
- 1651 posts since 14 May, 2002 from Earth
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- KVRian
- 644 posts since 6 Apr, 2004
Equilibrium, also you may want to apply bit reducers.
Use envelopes carefully (Snares should be snappy with fast decay, but some quiet tail also must be present imho, so don't set sustain to zero). Layering different snares also helps sometimes (You can even take a snappy attack from one sample and smooth release from another). Experiment.
Also Bourbon Breaks site is a must for breaks.
[added] Highpitched drums were rather in oldschool jungle because producers often just played 100-120 bpm breaks at a higher speed.
Use envelopes carefully (Snares should be snappy with fast decay, but some quiet tail also must be present imho, so don't set sustain to zero). Layering different snares also helps sometimes (You can even take a snappy attack from one sample and smooth release from another). Experiment.
Also Bourbon Breaks site is a must for breaks.
[added] Highpitched drums were rather in oldschool jungle because producers often just played 100-120 bpm breaks at a higher speed.
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- KVRAF
- 7959 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
And you can do alot of it by simply playing at higher pitches. Sure sometimes there's lots of fancy processing going on, but I've lost count of the times I've heard D'nB tracks that simply pitched up drums and beats. Load up sample into C3 - chop (optional) then play at G3. Ain't no science or magic to that.
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- Banned
- 4026 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
Only illegal samples there it seems
- KVRAF
- 1818 posts since 5 Apr, 2002 from Seattle, WA, USA
The whole genre in question comes from people who were lifting loops (illegally), using warez (illegally), to construct tunes to be played on pirate radio stations (illegally) and at raves (illegally) often funded by the traffic in illegal substances. It seems a bit odd someone would worry about the legality of a snare sample when they are making DnB.mindless wrote:Only illegal samples there it seems
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- KVRist
- 282 posts since 1 Nov, 2002
I guess it does seem a bit odd, but at least someone is concerned with copyright infringement.It seems a bit odd someone would worry about the legality of a snare sample when they are making DnB.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 508 posts since 6 Jun, 2004
Thanks for the replies still working hard at getting that sound. Haven't done everything recommended yet but it takes a while! Thanks to all!
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 14 Oct, 2004 from Bucks, UK
snooky wrote:Only illegal samples there it seems
A break isn't copyrightable. If it was, the session drummer who drummed on Amen Brother would've gotten millions in royalties (literally) from all the times his break's been used in jungle tracks over the past 15 years.
Yarrr!
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- KVRist
- 326 posts since 13 Sep, 2002 from Perth Western Australia
hehe.. its all so true too.The whole genre in question comes from people who were lifting loops (illegally), using warez (illegally), to construct tunes to be played on pirate radio stations (illegally) and at raves (illegally) often funded by the traffic in illegal substances. It seems a bit odd someone would worry about the legality of a snare sample when they are making DnB.
I've spent countless hours constructing dnb kits and i suggest looking through many samples of all kinds. A pitched up 'Linn Drums' snare and kick is some of the punchiest sound anything can make, also look through some jazz kits and try pitching up slightly the sounds to see what happens.
Roland kits are great too. eg. Roland SPD-20 Total Percussion Pad WAV is nice and so are the EMU soundfonts like Planet Phatt and Pure Phat. They are real nice.. Refills such as 160 db dnb, 260 db dnb, Drum n Bass Warfare 1 - 3 are all good for breaks and you can find good snares in there too.
PSP Vintage Warmer, Sonalksis Compressor and Arguru Stardust v1.5 VST - free are my drum beef-up plugins of choice!
listen to my tunes here:
http://soundcloud.com/damien-chamizo
http://soundcloud.com/damien-chamizo
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
Erm, yes it is, cos you are sampling it from a recording that is has copyright.xen wrote:snooky wrote:Only illegal samples there it seems
A break isn't copyrightable. If it was, the session drummer who drummed on Amen Brother would've gotten millions in royalties (literally) from all the times his break's been used in jungle tracks over the past 15 years.
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- KVRian
- 1274 posts since 24 May, 2004
Cool. I see a sensible discussion arising here...Kriminal wrote:Erm, yes it is, cos you are sampling it from a recording that is has copyright.
When you sample the amen, try your very best to clear it. If they don't reply after a year, just use it.
(is that legitimation valid for you KVR members?)
Another thing: It's unethical to sample. If everyone was sampling everyone else, SOON there would be NOTHING left to sample from
brilliant
On topic: Sample the "Think", "Amen", "Tighten Up" and "Sesame Street" snares and pitch them for instant clichée D&B sound.
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 14 Oct, 2004 from Bucks, UK
The thing is, with the Amen, the Winstons were actually contacted by one of the guys from DOA (dogsonacid.com, arguably the biggest drum & bass forum in the world), and they had absolutely no idea that their humble break from what was a B side on one of their singles has become (after a bit of... special sauce added) arguably THE defining drumbreak of this genre.
If you sampled the entire song, then yes you'd have to pay copyright royalties. However, you can argue that an individual sound from a record isn't copyrightable as it's not distinguishable to be recognisable - so all you're doing when you take breaks, slice them up and make them into your own is taking a random collection of sounds and processing them into something beautiful (or not, but that's your fault).
No law against copyrighting random sounds, if there was I'd © the sound of a cough and make a trillion trillion kazillion squillion buckaroonies
If you sampled the entire song, then yes you'd have to pay copyright royalties. However, you can argue that an individual sound from a record isn't copyrightable as it's not distinguishable to be recognisable - so all you're doing when you take breaks, slice them up and make them into your own is taking a random collection of sounds and processing them into something beautiful (or not, but that's your fault).
No law against copyrighting random sounds, if there was I'd © the sound of a cough and make a trillion trillion kazillion squillion buckaroonies
Yarrr!
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- KVRAF
- 2321 posts since 23 Mar, 2004 from Two lower than LS6
However, to further cloud the debate - people have been sucessfully sued for using the same melodies and series of notes before - well, within reason of course
Phil
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- KVRAF
- 2321 posts since 23 Mar, 2004 from Two lower than LS6
I still love the Amen snare, but the best thing to do is to get a snare sound and tweak it so that it is very snappy and short.
THEN make multiple versions of it at different pitches for ghost hits
THEN make multiple versions of it at different pitches for ghost hits
Phil
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