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Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:38 am

I guess you guys want to make punchier drums from already punchy drums. That's not usually possible. But I was able myself to add some life to tracks with a pretty weak bass drums.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:10 am

just for settle my curiosity, the Waves L2 couldnt replace the buzcomp then?
i mean, do the buzcomp have _that_ specific sound?

Ronny Pries wrote:cause in this case that tiny buzzcomp limiter's got bigger balls (and no latency).

Ronny Pries · Post by **Ronny Pries** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:57 am

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:I guess you guys want to make punchier drums from already punchy drums. That's not usually possible. But I was able myself to add some life to tracks with a pretty weak bass drums.

did you check out the examples i posted? that's a plain, unprocessed 909 kick as source. it couldn't be less punchy, last not least it's the most used drumsound.

steffensen wrote:just for settle my curiosity, the Waves L2 couldnt replace the buzcomp then?
i mean, do the buzcomp have _that_ specific sound?

i didn't try the l2 yet, but yes - the buzzcomp limiter has its own sound for sure. tho i'm not going to say it's alone where it is. i just found it most useful for what i was looking for. if there are more limiters that sound like this, bring them on!

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:00 am

that buzcomp of yours Ronny, sure is hard to find. its not availble on the creators site either as far as i can see. hrm..

Ronny Pries · Post by **Ronny Pries** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:04 am

steffensen wrote:that buzcomp of yours Ronny, sure is hard to find. its not availble on the creators site either as far as i can see. hrm..

hm, i'm also not able to spot which one of those at x-buz.com it became...

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:52 am

Ronny, so, how can you envision making it more punchy? You know, in that mix it takes 100% of headroom.

Do you want examples where this does work 'as advertised'?

Vibro Larynx · Post by **Vibro Larynx** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:05 am

Hi Aleksey,

yes, some snappy examples would be great!

Some 'before' & 'after' comparings, you know?

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:16 am

anoter vote for examples here.

Ronny Pries · Post by **Ronny Pries** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:02 am

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Ronny, so, how can you envision making it more punchy? You know, in that mix it takes 100% of headroom.

Do you want examples where this does work 'as advertised'?

i've got the feeling that we're talking at cross-purposes. not sure if i understand you correctly this time.

just one thing, if you make a plugin for those contemporary half-baked computer musicians (such as i am hehe), you have to leave headroom, balance and all those things behind. i remember sitting in a studio watching a studied classic componist trying to get a pounding bassdrum. when i told him to crank up the input at that damn mixer he was like "nooo, you can't do that - that will distort the sound!". hell, it did!
sometimes you simply have to leave theory behind and just go for the result.

however, what exactly is your worry with the example i made?

ronny

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:03 pm

Ronny, no worry with your example.

It's just as punchy as it can IMO. I would remove that low freq 'oomph' and add more distortion to the inital clicky transient, but that's my taste only.

I will post examples soon - along with a reworked version - this one should be 'better'. I will probably make 2 modes. The original one I've posted and the new one I'm working on now.

Ronny Pries · Post by **Ronny Pries** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:18 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Ronny, no worry with your example. It's just as punchy as it can IMO. I would remove that low freq 'oomph' and add more distortion to the inital clicky transient, but that's my taste only.

I will post examples soon - along with a reworked version - this one should be 'better'. I will probably make 2 modes. The original one I've posted and the new one I'm working on now.

ah, gotcha

well, yes - it's as punchy with the applied effect chain as it can get, i agree. but i'd like an effect that transforms the posted dry kick (aka piece of cake) into the wet kick (aka shake yo booty, b*****). in other words, would you be so kind to include this kind of processing in your plugin?

in many cases a distorted kick takes too much room from other elements whereas such punchy pumping kick doesn't. looking forward to the 2nd mode, if you'd incorporate various approaches towards punching bassdrums you'd probably create a nice best-seller

ronny

rSphere · Post by **rSphere** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:00 pm

Alexsey -

It would seem to me that the target for this type of plug should not be to beef up tame kicks.

Your core audience as you mentioned previously - is electronic music (in various genres) producers. These are the people who will hunger for new, creative, more flexible ways to make the low end of their mixes better and better.

This audience has libraries of already phat kick samples. But what they need always - are new creative tools for tweaking the tone of the kicks they have in relation to the bass. Or tools to throw at the lowend in general.

There've been some posts about typical chains for kick drums. If a lowend/punch/kick focused plug can lessen the dependence on processor intensive, and time intensive setups of multiple plugs - then it could be very beneficial.

Just some thoughts.

Notron User · Post by **Notron User** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:08 pm

How about a Classic Ronnie Pries kick effect?

Chrisma · Post by **Chrisma** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:57 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Version update 0.9.2

Compressor knob and LF Gain knob. Also Monitor and Bypass switches. Tuning should be easy with these now. Two new presets are also available.

For me, this FX sounds interesting - of course if you are open to bass sound reshaping.

http://www.voxengo.com/files/VoxengoLFP ... _setup.exe

I just tried it out I like what I'm hearing. Will be great for mastering/remastering and mixing. Good job.

cymatics · Post by **cymatics** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:59 pm

Insanely cool... I'm a bit obsessed with new and different ways to get bigger than life low end. I'm really digging this plug. The compress knob in the second version is the winning touch!

I'll definitley buy this when it's ready.

Thanks Aleksey.

Voxengo LF-Punch alpha - punch effect for contemporary music