East West BOSENDORFER 290 for Kompakt

[djbix]

Has anyone yet installed and heard the new East West Bosendorfer 290 sample set compatible with Kompakt...? I just found a Package available through the Native Instruments site that says that is is both Kontakt and Kompakt compatible. I have a receptor and am still looking for that elusive piano sound that is stage worthy (not the fazioli...which is decent but nowhere grand-like). I am wondering whether unsupported plugins as of yet work as well in the Muse-Kompakt system. I am getting intermittent digital clicking/clipping while trying to use a 460MB yamaha piano file - I have 2 gigs of RAM in my machine and am still at a loss as to why the clicking/cpu !! maxing out and 'choking' so to speak... I have 256 voices enabled and have activated the direct from disc - but that has to be activated each time the piano plugin is instantiated which means that the parameter of activating 'direct from disc' can't be selected live without using a monitor and going into the setup window. Back to the question at hand... I am thinking of buying the East West package if the Bosendorfer works well within Kompakt and sounds as it is touted. To the Muse's staffs' credit - they have been super cool and receptive and are working hard to address outstanding issues and questions. Thanks for the feedback.

[PhilAiken]

Has anyone yet installed and heard the new East West Bosendorfer 290 sample set compatible with Kompakt...? I just found a Package available through the Native Instruments site that says that is is both Kontakt and Kompakt compatible. Thanks for the feedback.

Please, please post here if you are able to get this working, whether with the Bosendorfer, or the Yamaha
samples that you mentioned.
This is EXACTLY what I am waiting to find out about before purchasing Receptor.
Thanks,
Phil Aiken

[SpIdErWeB]

I tried (not with bosendorfer) but with a 1 Gb GigaSample Piano on Kompakt.

unfortunatly, don't work correctly at me.
Always, clipping, noise on sound, etc...

Ok, I try to update memories too. But I tried with 3 different RAM (like Muse indications), but nothing work correctly.

Sometimes unstable, sometimes freeze, and even a time it shutdown automaticly when I played...

I even try to upgrade the CPU (for XP3200+), but no.

I had some problems like this, I don't found any solutions.

Sorry
Bye
Spid

[tq]

Hi, I am not a Receptor user, but I have the East West Bosendorfer, and I had exactly the same problems with my old G4 Mac. It's a latency / disc reading problem: This plug in is streaming huge samples from the disc to the memory, and with low latency, the computer is not able to stream the data in time (when you are using more than a few voices). This results in crackling, distortion, drop outs.

This is true for most/all of the big sample pianos using Kompakt and disc streaming.

The solution is simple: You need a) to install the direct disc streaming extension from East West/Native Instruments (which is not installed by default!) b) experiment with the disc streaming options c) add more RAM d) buy a faster hard drive e) get a computer wih a faster bus and a faster processor. In this order.

I hope this helps!

[DanTimis]

We tried the East West Boesendorfer 290 and it does not work. We are in contact with East West and we are going to try to figure out how to make it work. Stay tuned.

[spoimala]

We tried the East West Boesendorfer 290 and it does not work. We are in contact with East West and we are going to try to figure out how to make it work. Stay tuned.

Any progress on that? I guess many people are waiting for this...

[DanTimis]

We made some progress and we have a development version that seems to work. However, it is too early to give a release date.

We cannot promise anything right now, but I hope that by NAMM we will know more.

[spoimala]

Is there any other decent piano module that currently runs in Receptor?

I didn't find list of included instruments, is there one somewhere?

[Grundman]

Well, exactly I'm using PMI Bossendorfer 290 Giga sampler but with Kompakt. The same works for The Emperor and The Old Lady (Steinway) both available from PMI.

[PhilAiken]

Well, exactly I'm using PMI Bossendorfer 290 Giga sampler but with Kompakt. The same works for The Emperor and The Old Lady (Steinway) both available from PMI.

And these work well on Receptor using DFD?

[Watto]

In a word, no. I've been gigging a few nights a week with Receptor, and have unfortunately been forced to go back to my keyboard's piano sound, as I can't get it running smoothly on Receptor. I have 2 gig of quality RAM, but when playing gigs requiring plenty of sustain pedal, the cpu goes beserk. This is extremely disappointing to me, because it was one of the things I was hoping to upgrade with my live sound. Also can't use the Scarbee Rhodes or Wurlitzer samples, and yes, I've tried every possible setting/configuration in DFD.

All I can do now is wait and hope for The Grand, which for some reason I don't find overly CPU intensive (comparitively speaking), but Dan didn't seem to think it was on the priority list. Why not?

Starting to rethink my decision, I must say - my B4 experience, plus getting that horrible "computer's going to fall over" feeling on a gig, has dissapointed me greatly. I passed on a Nord Electro to get this, and though this is WAY more flexible, when the Nord Stage comes out, I may think about it, unless the Receptor is running the way I'd like.

By the way, I'm worried that I'm coming across in my posts as a really negative guy - you should have seen how excited I was when I heard this existed! It hasn't quite measured up to my expectations so far, but I'm hoping it will. Can I have a definitive word on whether you'll be able to get the CPU upgraded (by a technician) in the future - that is also a vital piece of the puzzle!

Sorry about the epic post!

Boog.

[PhilAiken]

In a word, no. I've been gigging a few nights a week with Receptor, and have unfortunately been forced to go back to my keyboard's piano sound, as I can't get it running smoothly on Receptor. I have 2 gig of quality RAM, but when playing gigs requiring plenty of sustain pedal, the cpu goes beserk. This is extremely disappointing to me, because it was one of the things I was hoping to upgrade with my live sound. Also can't use the Scarbee Rhodes or Wurlitzer samples, and yes, I've tried every possible setting/configuration in DFD.



Boog.

Yikes.....
This stuff is exactly what I bought Receptor for. I haven't been able to try it myself yet since I'm waiting for either my Kompakt crossgrade or my newly authorized 160GB hard drive to show up, but I'm becoming pessimistic. The Scarbee Rhodes works on my lowly 1.2Ghz G4 ibook with its 4600RPM internal drive. I can't believe Receptor can't outperform that. What do you have your Receptor buffer set at, and what Kompakt latency? Also, if you haven't already, search for Dan's suggested DFD settings....
Either Dan or Rick posted that streaming large samples will be improved with version 1.3. I don't know if that is due to some architectural change, due to KomTakt being ported, or what. So there is some hope there. Also, I was told by someone at Synthogy that they have spoken to Muse about Ivory. That would be the ultimate live rig, and the word on Ivory is that if it fails, it fails gracefully - ie...no freezes or crahsing - it just gives you what it can.
Meanwhile, I'm sort of in limbo for my stage rig, using some old gear I dusted off, and have to get this resolved soon.

[DanTimis]

In a word, no. I've been gigging a few nights a week with Receptor, and have unfortunately been forced to go back to my keyboard's piano sound, as I can't get it running smoothly on Receptor. I have 2 gig of quality RAM, but when playing gigs requiring plenty of sustain pedal, the cpu goes beserk. This is extremely disappointing to me, because it was one of the things I was hoping to upgrade with my live sound. Also can't use the Scarbee Rhodes or Wurlitzer samples, and yes, I've tried every possible setting/configuration in DFD.

Rick (MaxReverb) posted somewhere the magic DFD settings that we got from Michiel Post (the guy from Netherlands who sampled all these great pianos including the B290). But, you also need to set the buffer size on the SETUP page to 256. If you are using a buffer size of 128 and you are playing many notes with sustain pedal you will get ocasional glitches.

Version 1.3 of the software will offer improved performance for big sample libraries. But, for now try a buffer size fo 256.

All I can do now is wait and hope for The Grand, which for some reason I don't find overly CPU intensive (comparitively speaking), but Dan didn't seem to think it was on the priority list. Why not?

It is a technical issue. The copy protection used by Steinberg is not compatible with Receptor. We are working on this issue, and when it will be resolved we will be able to support several Steinberg products, including The Grand.

Starting to rethink my decision, I must say - my B4 experience, plus getting that horrible "computer's going to fall over" feeling on a gig, has dissapointed me greatly. I passed on a Nord Electro to get this, and though this is WAY more flexible, when the Nord Stage comes out, I may think about it, unless the Receptor is running the way I'd like.

By the way, I'm worried that I'm coming across in my posts as a really negative guy - you should have seen how excited I was when I heard this existed! It hasn't quite measured up to my expectations so far, but I'm hoping it will. Can I have a definitive word on whether you'll be able to get the CPU upgraded (by a technician) in the future - that is also a vital piece of the puzzle!

Sorry about the epic post!

Boog.

I'm sorry that your experience was disapointing. You can probably tell that 1.2 already works much better than 1.1. I hope that 1.3 will bring yet another level of performance and usability.

I don't have an answer about the CPU. I'll ask.

[Watto]

Thanks very much, guys! It's responses like these which keep me hanging on...

Yes, I have tried Rick's magic settings, to no avail, and have tried both 128 and 256, but to be honest, I don't think I spent long enough at 256 - I'll try again!

Cheers,

Boog.

[Rick@MuseResearch]

We do not the Scarbee libraries for testing so I do not have any expereince on Receptor with them. We are doing a Linux kernel upgrade from 1.3 that will do a much better job of loading huge samples with 2GB of RAM. Here's the result of an early test I performed with a 2GB Receptor:
1. With 1.2 Instanatiate Kompakt with Church Ensemble
2. Repeat
Result: 3 Instantiations before Receptor is overloaded and must be restarted.
3. With kernel upgrade Instanatiate Kompakt with Church Ensemble.
4. Repeat
Result: I was able to get 5 instantiations and still could load a blank patch, Receptor did not freeze.

Thanks very much, guys! It's responses like these which keep me hanging on...

Yes, I have tried Rick's magic settings, to no avail, and have tried both 128 and 256, but to be honest, I don't think I spent long enough at 256 - I'll try again!

Cheers,

Boog.