feature requests for dedicated reverbs

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As i noticed and talk about on arts acoustic forum, there isn't actually any reverbs ( few exceptions like enverb from Logic ) than seems to rival to any hardware units, even obsoleted ( Yamaha SPX90, Boss SE-50, etc...) on the usually called "gate reverb" or "reverse gate" effects

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But frankly talking my feature requests, way more utopic, are of these kind :

does it sound insane to you to seek for a kind of tempo synchronisation, applied to the reverb time parameters ?

- pre-delay of course but also ( and mainly ) the "gate reverb" or "reverse gate" lengh, ...and also eventually the decay of , so to say, usual reverbs

This is what i already supposed about a (very few) of the challenge that it would mean on a developping aspects :

1)-It would completely depend on purely subjective judgements about a feeling of synchronicity

2)-That in itself needs the choice of appropriate parameters,

3)- themselves limited to a significant area on that purpose

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Actually, the only thing i that can share with you as a concrete and plausible example to figure out both on how it would looks like and how it would handle tempo synchronisation, is this one :

For the ones who knows well the "enverb" ( enveloppe/reverb, then...) reverb plug-in from Logic

Imagine

1)- a tempo-sync applied to the "Original delay" ( upper left )

2)- the pre-delay parameter , itself tempo-synched if needed

3)- what would have been the attack parameter renamed and rebuited as a REVERBS SHAPE parameter,

4) "Reverb's shape" duration would automatically depend on the delay time between both, host's tempo-synced parameters : - pre-delay for it starts and "original delay" parameter for it ends

5)-No other enveloppe parameters,( not needed on the purpose... )

6) all other parameters of this plug that aren't related to envelope or delay would perfectly do their job as they actually are !! ¨
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I tried to do something approaching with Bram' s freeware "bouncy" that has a sync fonction that looks more or less like a multitap delay/early reflection unit... but realise that it do not handle different host's tempi from the one choosen for the original patch such well ...

...and it simply cannot tolerate ANY tempo changes !

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And this to introduce THE real, utopic, question to a developper :

How much would it sound insane to you ...
( i'm sure it will, ...but at what degree ?)
...to figure out on how to code such a synced-reverb that could at least handle correctly continuous tempo changes ?

:idea: :nutter: :idea: :nutter: :?:

Just figure out, nothing else by now ( and by far ...)

:dog: :?: :ud: :?:

Thank you

Alex
Last edited by Krakatau on Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:50 am, edited 3 times in total.

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I just forgot :

How does synced delay lines handle continuous tempo changes ( rather than instant tempo change ) actually ?

I didn't actually experienced and payed attention to the fact, ...anyone ?

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I totally agree, and have suggested something similar here before. Pre-delay and gate close (for gated reverbs) can and should be tempo synced. And like any tempo-synced effect, there should be a phase parameter (+ or - 180 degrees) to tweak the timing, because sometimes the psychoacoustic perception of where a sound starts or stops is different from the hard cold maths. A little later is usually more acceptable than a little earlier.

But my problem with most vst verbs is the sound quality. It's become very obvious that the great verb algorithmns are all patent protected. I think with enough ingenuity, some of these secrets could be exposed and made public domain. I suggest the best start is to forget rectangular room models. What sounds best in real life - convex walls and asymmetry.

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greendoor wrote: But my problem with most vst verbs is the sound quality. It's become very obvious that the great verb algorithmns are all patent protected. .
What's the case about "Ambiance"( from smartelectronix )?

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Ambiance is one of my favorite VST reverbs for sure - and the new Roomworks in SX3 appears to be a direct clone of it, warts and all. Glaceverb also kicks arse if you tweak it right. I personally am excited about the sound of the reverb in Jeskola XS-1 - I tried to get the developer to make it as an effect plugin with no success, but please - reverb developers - check it out on some percussion samples! Reverb is an emotional thing - and many hardware units leave me cold too.

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Actually i'm just asking how plausible could be any reverb or non-linear reverb wathever is quality would be, to be tempo- synced with his host in one way or another...

the first realistic step, if there is one

Any tech head / expert mind that may give is point of view on the topic ?

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tempo synced functions are always welcome i bet, if one doesn't want/need those there's most probably a switch to turn them off. i'd highly welcome that, especially for gate settings. that'd also be great in compressors (release time of 1/16th, 2/16th etcetc).
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Ronny Pries wrote:tempo synced functions are always welcome i bet, if one doesn't want/need those there's most probably a switch to turn them off. i'd highly welcome that, especially for gate settings. that'd also be great in compressors (release time of 1/16th, 2/16th etcetc).
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On gate and compressors !!??

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Oooh Yes !

, there was a commercial hit a few weeks ago ( you know, the video clip with many girsl on a fitness room, you see ?) that would have benefit esthetically talking of such a fonction on compressors during mastering, i imagine...

doesn't sound crazy to me...

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For reverb tails, gates, compressors, synth ADSR, delays etc ... I would love to see graphic display interfaces that have movable nodes, with the options of real time (seconds) or music based (notes) on the grid. The ability to snap a node to the nearest note, and then - if necessary - shift into realtime mode for tweaking. Also - when this envelope was in operation, I would love to graphically see the location of the envelope moving in realtime. A great example is Antti Auger. When the ADSR is play, you see a moving dot that shows exactly where it's at. For reverb tails and gates and compressors, this would be so cool. Host tempo syncing always needs flexibility - maybe a phase knob for -180 to + 180 phase shift. Or whatever is relevant for the particular effect GUI. I'm sick of delays that are fixed into host tempo sync with no option of selecting the exact number of milliseconds. Both are important. In fact - with delays, 10ths of milliseconds are important. So yes please!

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I just notice that none of trhe devs have even tried to cool down our fantazy

honestly, this is dissapointing me a bit.

i'd really like to SIMPLY have a feedback fron ANY of them about the sensibily (or unsensibility ) of these ideas

Nothing else actually...Too much to ask ?

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Let's see - 134 reads of this post, if 1% of readers are developers, that means 1.34 developers could be working on this right now ...

Although I aren't a developer (yet - i'm thinking i'll have to upgrade my Visual Basic skills to C++ ...) I know that these ideas are Not fantasies. They are all doable, and the smart developers out there should be incorporating these ideas into their plans for world domination as we speak ...

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1.34 developers ?

that sound as nice as :... a chicken and a half !!!!!!!

:nutter: :lol: :nutter: :lol: :nutter:

:bang: :idiot: :bang:

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did anyone try xhipverb :(

also, synced gated verb?
its really not possible to open or close a gate
at any specific time. you need to learn what a gate actually
does and how it does it.

as for tuning the delay time...

both of these can be accomplished by using seperate
reverb delay and gate effects. do this:
send channel with three effects, reverb->delay->gate;
set reverb dry to 0, obviously.
use a delay effect which can be synced.
adjust gate to your preferance.

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Utopic verb features?

Howe about a spectral / tempo analyser that works out the best room to go with the music :wink:
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