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diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:39 am

headquest wrote:[
But no, because if you wish to automate the synth's parameters (e.g. to do a filter weep) then this has to be done within Reason's sequencer.

This is not a limitation of Live - it is a limitation of the Rewire protocol, and is the same whichever host you choose to use Reason within.

You can automate filter sweeps etc. from within live - i was doing it the other day - it's midi clip automation, cc values - same for tracktion etc. IMO live does it better as it properly names the values one is automating, rather than just giving generic cc values - or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:43 am

Yes, that's right. I had "teething" problems with L4 which were sorted in 4.1.1.

I take your point, LM, because I believe that a minority of users who were using Live 4 "on stage" reverted to L3 for a couple of weeks while the initial bugs were squished. But that was quite a while ago now, in Ableton development terms!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:46 am

diverdee wrote: You can automate filter sweeps etc. from within live - i was doing it the other day -

Perhaps I'm missing something here then? I know I can automate any VST or Live's native filter sweeps, but I've not found a way to automate (e.g. Maelstrom's inbuilt) filters from within Live's interface (or in Tracktion, or Cubase). Are you saying there is a way to do this?

it's midi clip automation, cc values - same for tracktion etc. IMO live does it better as it properly names the values one is automating, rather than just giving generic cc values - or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

Live is certainly the best Rewire host for Reason that I have found...

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:01 am

I haven't got live in front of me (don't own it yet), but you just use the clip automation. As long as the midi channel in live is directed to the appropriate reason device (e.g. maelstom) when you bring up the list for automation values live will list all the automatable values e.g. filter cutoff, resonance etc.
tracktion does it also (has to be midi cc automation within clips, not the vst automation), but it does not report back the correct names - just generic cc values - so you have to refer to reasons midi implementation chart to cross reference which cc values automate particular functions.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:17 am

Lunch Money wrote:That's the question in its entirety. Some people are apparently not happy with Live 4. My understanding, though, was that most of the issues Live 4 users were having had to do with CPU consumption, which I gather was fixed in one of the first updates, no?

Greg

v.4.1.1 to be exact.

TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:28 am

headquest wrote:Yes, that's right. I had "teething" problems with L4 which were sorted in 4.1.1.

I take your point, LM, because I believe that a minority of users who were using Live 4 "on stage" reverted to L3 for a couple of weeks while the initial bugs were squished. But that was quite a while ago now, in Ableton development terms!

Ableton is what Sony should have been: improving their products!

Only question now is what else can be added on for a possible Live 5?

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:40 am

TVD wrote:
headquest wrote:Yes, that's right. I had "teething" problems with L4 which were sorted in 4.1.1.

I take your point, LM, because I believe that a minority of users who were using Live 4 "on stage" reverted to L3 for a couple of weeks while the initial bugs were squished. But that was quite a while ago now, in Ableton development terms!
Ableton is what Sony should have been: improving their products!

Only question now is what else can be added on for a possible Live 5?

I know the answer

I already said it once in this thread: PDC, track freeze and maybe some kind of modular environment (á la Tracktion's rack).

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:19 am

headquest wrote:
diverdee wrote: You can automate filter sweeps etc. from within live - i was doing it the other day -
Perhaps I'm missing something here then? I know I can automate any VST or Live's native filter sweeps, but I've not found a way to automate (e.g. Maelstrom's inbuilt) filters from within Live's interface (or in Tracktion, or Cubase). Are you saying there is a way to do this?

it's midi clip automation, cc values - same for tracktion etc. IMO live does it better as it properly names the values one is automating, rather than just giving generic cc values - or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
Live is certainly the best Rewire host for Reason that I have found...

Or you whack your Maelstrom in a Combinator and assign the 4 knobs + 4 buttons + Pitch bend and Mod Wheel to various paramters and tweek all of those in the Clip properties in LIVE

- works a treat .

EDIT - and yes you can do device automation for REV7000's and all sorts from within LIVE just so you know

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TVD · Post by **TVD** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:54 am

Kraku wrote:
TVD wrote:
headquest wrote:Yes, that's right. I had "teething" problems with L4 which were sorted in 4.1.1.

I take your point, LM, because I believe that a minority of users who were using Live 4 "on stage" reverted to L3 for a couple of weeks while the initial bugs were squished. But that was quite a while ago now, in Ableton development terms!
Ableton is what Sony should have been: improving their products!

Only question now is what else can be added on for a possible Live 5?
I know the answer I already said it once in this thread: PDC, track freeze and maybe some kind of modular environment (á la Tracktion's rack).

Freeze alone would make Live 5 THE final upgrade.

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:12 am

Oh... I know another one: multithreading! Now that dualcore/multicore cpu's (and multiprocessor setups) are becoming reality in home market, Live should be able to use all that power in the future.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:26 pm

diverdee wrote:I haven't got live in front of me (don't own it yet), but you just use the clip automation. As long as the midi channel in live is directed to the appropriate reason device (e.g. maelstom) when you bring up the list for automation values live will list all the automatable values e.g. filter cutoff, resonance etc.
tracktion does it also (has to be midi cc automation within clips, not the vst automation), but it does not report back the correct names - just generic cc values - so you have to refer to reasons midi implementation chart to cross reference which cc values automate particular functions.

Aha!! Wow - thanks for the heads up on that. I've barely explored clip automation yet - it is in itself such a revolutionary concept when moving over to Live from other hosts, that its still on the learning list! (I've sent off for a copy of Live 4 Power book, which I've heard is really worth having

).

Tracktion's method sounds WAY complicated to me - but then I admit I don't know my MIDI cc messages very well

Cheers again!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:30 pm

Regarding Live 5 feature, I would like to see:

PDC - I think that is quite important as a priority
Freeze - likewise
Arpeggiator

That's it really. Although I personally like the growing range of Ableton instruments, and it would be interesting to see if and how they add to that aspect of Live in the coming months.

Either way, Live seems to have the fastest development of any mainstreatm program with major updates coming in less than a year each time

so I doubt we'll have to wait long to find out, or get involved in a lengthy drawn out speculation game here

Reqs · Post by **Reqs** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:41 pm

Live needs the ability to use midi effects as well. THey wouldn't need a native arpeggiator if they would just implement this one feature.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:44 pm

Reqs wrote:Live needs the ability to use midi effects as well. THey wouldn't need a native arpeggiator if they would just implement this one feature.

Can you explain more? I know that Live has 5 MIDI effects of its own...

Also, one other FR - 32-bit export.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:01 pm

reckon he means support for either: A) mfx, e.g. slicydrummer or B) vstis that output midi data.
either or both would be useful

Have Live 4 made you leave OR run back to Live 3?