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diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:04 pm

in fact either would be nice - both would be yummy

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:46 pm

It doesn't have a decent groove quantize feature along the lines of Reasons "get user groove" which is a bad omission given how good it is in general.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:23 pm

yeah - that's a feature that every decent host should have, so nice for quantising drums up to a groove. It would be a nice fit with those warp markers also possibly?
seems like a natural progression to apply those to another file etc?

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:10 pm

Live 3 instead of Live 4? I would find that very odd. 4 is much better than 3. Live is a great program. Plug-in delay compensation is needed. Integrity of sounds with warping (even in textures) could use further improvement--for acoustic instruments.
Finally, I would like the ability to detach and expand parts of it by allowing parts to be opened in a separate window.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:50 pm

Kraku wrote:
TVD wrote:Only question now is what else can be added on for a possible Live 5?
I know the answer I already said it once in this thread: PDC, track freeze and maybe some kind of modular environment (á la Tracktion's rack).

Folder tracks, markers in the session/track view, ability to utilize multiple soundcards, more MIDI FX like a rhythm randomizer, automation clips for send FX, built in audio editing...

I'm sure that I'll think of more later.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:53 pm

The real key though is to maintain the simplicity of the program. Otherwise Ableton Live will lose the integrity as a live performance tool that it presently enjoys, and as a studio tool it will end up in the same bloatware mess as some other popular sequencers.

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:04 pm

feyshay wrote:Live 3 instead of Live 4? I would find that very odd. 4 is much better than 3. Live is a great program. Plug-in delay compensation is needed. Integrity of sounds with warping (even in textures) could use further improvement--for acoustic instruments.
Finally, I would like the ability to detach and expand parts of it by allowing parts to be opened in a separate window.

I agree here track freeze + PDC then I can save slowly but surely for either a Powercore or a Receptor without havig to look at uodating my PC in the future ..............
Good extra ideas there.
I couldn't go back to Live 3.0 .
Besides which Live 4.1.2's audio engine sounds infinitely better than 3.0's IMHO .

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Sun May 01, 2005 4:23 pm

All I really want is for them to nick P5's arpeggiator, add in dual cpu support, and track freeze. PDC only if it doesn't mess with the audio engine AT ALL.

Other features I'd like would be more "DJ" style uses, like cue points, multiple .asd files per sample, and things like that.

I hope they don't do so much mucking about to make it a 'real DAW' that it loses its speed and intuitiveness.

This is the tiny problem I have with p5.. its more of a tweener app, not live enough to be used on stage (compared to live) and not 'traditional DAW' enough to replace Sonar/Cubase/Logic etc.

I think Live could be the app that brings the next huge change in DJaying.

Cosmic Bandito · Post by **Cosmic Bandito** » Mon May 02, 2005 2:22 am

I don't think Live needs that much at all. Here's my list:

1)Freeze (for convenience only, bouncing's super easy)
2)Track FX Save (I'm sick of re-building guitar FX chains)
3)An Arp (everyone needs a 3..ahem..an arp)
4)Polish up the midi just a bit (the midi engine is amazingly solid just needs better key commands, maybe some added fuctions, Tracktion still drops notes & Cakewalk engine craps out when pushed, kudos to Ableton for rock solid midi on the first try, they don't get the credit that's due)

If it's a CPU hog, get more CPU (I am

), I'm coming to realize, there's no way around that.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:51 am

Cosmic Bandito wrote: Tracktion still drops notes & Cakewalk engine craps out when pushed, kudos to Ableton for rock solid midi on the first try, they don't get the credit that's due

Well said, Cosmic

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:10 am

if you mainly use MIDI live3 isn't even an option because it's audio-only

Reqs · Post by **Reqs** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:30 am

reckon he means support for either: A) mfx, e.g. slicydrummer or B) vstis that output midi data.
either or both would be useful

Yes.

There is no support for non-native midi effects in Live4. For instance, Arp2Midi (now Arp4midi?) is a great little midi arp, which would essentially solve the need for an arp in Live, but Live does not support these type of non-native MIDI effects. Live sees them all as instruments and so they cannot be placed in front of a VST. Yes, you can wrap them in EnergyXT, but native support would be nice. I don't know of another host that lacks this.

If you aren't familiar with MIDI effects, search this forum for TobyBear or NicFit's stuff.

Cosmic Bandito · Post by **Cosmic Bandito** » Mon May 02, 2005 3:49 pm

Reqs wrote:
reckon he means support for either: A) mfx, e.g. slicydrummer or B) vstis that output midi data.
either or both would be useful
Yes.

There is no support for non-native midi effects in Live4. For instance, Arp2Midi (now Arp4midi?) is a great little midi arp, which would essentially solve the need for an arp in Live, but Live does not support these type of non-native MIDI effects. Live sees them all as instruments and so they cannot be placed in front of a VST. Yes, you can wrap them in EnergyXT, but native support would be nice. I don't know of another host that lacks this.

If you aren't familiar with MIDI effects, search this forum for TobyBear or NicFit's stuff.

I think it's pretty safe to assume the Abletons will add an Arp soon (unless it involves major code revision for some reason). And I'm sure it will be a damn fine one when they do.

I don't see why you would even want Slicy Drummer with Live when you can just load up a drum synth and drop in midi patterns on the fly all in real time from the browser with the same options in Live's midi editor that you have in Slicy (muting, changing patterns on the fly etc..). Just create or buy some midi loops, load up a drum synth. Then load the midi loops into differents cells and go to town! Then open the midi editor and you can mute drums with one click etc...10x more power (and fun) than slicy! Then record your real-time perfomance! And once you add follow actions etc..in to the mix Slicy is like tonka-toy.

Basically Live has BEEN doing what everyones making the big hoo-ha about what P5 claims to doo (but live doesn't crap out

)

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:19 pm

[quote="Cosmic Bandito"]
2)Track FX Save (I'm sick of re-building guitar FX chains)
3)An Arp (everyone needs a 3..ahem..an arp)

You might want to try out EnergyXT. I have used it as a plug-in chainer, saving presets for my guitar effects. It is about $50, and it might help with your MIDI.

GeneralFuzz · Post by **GeneralFuzz** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:32 pm

Live needs a better MIDI editor and more quantize features. . .

Have Live 4 made you leave OR run back to Live 3?