New Tracktion - Same problems

[Jeremy_NSL]

Just got my T2 upgrade.. I didn't play too much with the demo beforehand (at $20 I was going to buy regardless), so I'm just finding out some of T1s issues are still hanging around. I gotta say, I thought for sure this stuff would be fixed!

-with looping on, a click-track count-in bar is disabled. For someone who records alot, as well as uses looping to perfect sections, this is very frustrating.

-When recording, the playback of first note on vsti instruments is often dropped - seemingly at random. So you try to record some piano line over an arrangement, but the first drumhit, bass note etc. are all missing after the count-in bar. Very disconcerting and no other host I've ever used exhibits this.

-Audio engine hitches alot - when moving notes, filters etc. I guess I'm more used to eXT now - where you can add vsti, tracks etc. all while the loop plays through totally unglitched.

I'm willing to accept if this last one is just a limitation of the engine, but the first 2 are serious bugs that should have been addressed in beta, and need to be addressed in a patch now.

[Jeremy_NSL]

I just realized the "drop-note on record" problem is related to PDC and Racks.

Any plugs requiring PDC will drop the first note on recording with count-in.

And the rack PDC bug is still there. Using the same rack on two tracks (like using two outputs from Drumatic) adds latency equal to your asio latency. So just by using multi-outputs on your synths you add latency and require PDC. No other host I've encountered adds latency just to use multi-outs.

[koolkeys]

I have my T2 boxed bundle also, and I'm loving it.

1. Looping is new with T2, so unless I'm reading you wrong, this couldn't have come over from T1. But I do think it's been mentioned, and the devs are aware. Not 100% sure though.

2. The dropped note thing is well documented, and is being fixed I'm asssuming. It's also been noted that it's not T that has the problem, but the majority of plugs and hosts that use "workaround" code for the problem. Tracktion supposedly handles it right, but has the "bug" because of these workarounds. Try downloading ModulR's little tool to fix it, as it's worked for many others.

3. The audio engine works fine here on my 1.3GHz Celeron with 320MB RAM. Because of the way that T is built, I've heard that some video cards have had issues, and also the operating system is not giving priority to the right things. Maybe someone else can give you more detail on this.

It's late. I'm off to bed, but I'll check more into these tomorrow in case nobody else has, which I'm sure they will.

Koolkeys

[Jeremy_NSL]

1. Looping is new with T2, so unless I'm reading you wrong, this couldn't have come over from T1. But I do think it's been mentioned, and the devs are aware. Not 100% sure though.

What??? Er, no its not. I've used it since I bought Tracktion 1 over a year ago. We are talking about the same thing, right? Using the red bars to highlight a section, then clicking the loop button on the transport? Old feature, old bug.

2. The dropped note thing is well documented, and is being fixed I'm asssuming. It's also been noted that it's not T that has the problem, but the majority of plugs and hosts that use "workaround" code for the problem. Tracktion supposedly handles it right, but has the "bug" because of these workarounds. Try downloading ModulR's little tool to fix it, as it's worked for many others.

I haven't heard of this tool. Hook me up with a link?

3. The audio engine works fine here on my 1.3GHz Celeron with 320MB RAM. Because of the way that T is built, I've heard that some video cards have had issues, and also the operating system is not giving priority to the right things. Maybe someone else can give you more detail on this.

Can you move filters from track to track, or add filters without glitching the audio stream? I can't, nor could I on T1 with my old 2.1ghz P4 or my new A64 3000+ (both 1gb ram). The video card is a pretty standard Geforce4, with the latest drivers - can't imagine thats a problem.

Thanks for the reply koolkeys!

[Mr. Tingle]

your talking about midi loop recording, obviously.

the tool for dropped notes is in the sticky threads.

you will always get a glitch when dropping a plug that needs PDC, at the very least you'd get a small silence.

[chardin]

Pardon the ignorant question, but what is PDC?

[IIRs]

Plug-in Delay Compensation

Certain plugs (eg: look-ahead limiters and linear-phase EQ's) have an inherent processing delay: Tracktion is clever enough to compensate for these during playback of recorded material, but (obviously) this can't be done in real-time without some form of time travel..

[valley]

however, Tracktion isn't (yet) clever enough to fully compensate loop points for delay. Hence the silence at the start of loops when working with PDC.

[headquest]

Any idea when it will be clever enough?

[semiquaver]

headquest, why be sarcastic?

[headquest]

It was actually a serious question, but was phrased "humerously", so sorry about that.

So, to put it better, valley, as a beta tester/moderator/etc, do you have any knowledge on when this - or any of the other issues - will be solved?

[valley]

me?

nope.

[valley]

come to think of it - at this point, given that T2 is out, I don't even think I'm a beta tester.

[headquest]

Oh well, it was worth a try Thanx valley

[koolkeys]

Sorry, the loop thing, I was thinking of loop recording. Sorry, it was VERY late and I had a long, long day(part of which included messing with my T2 boxed bundle!).

Koolkeys