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Wait a minute...so the rebate offer that (some) NFR holders got was a mistake? And Mackie is not prepared to honor the offer, even though they made the error? Is that what I'm hearing, or am I wrong?

Guys...if you don't honor the rebate then that's just not very smart. Most people would at least honor the deal. It's apparently fairly limited in terms of distribution, and only good for the next 2 months anyway.

You know, I was put off from this board Saturday mainly by the childish reaction of some of the members of this board to a simple request (that really had nothing to do with them, anyway)...but after cooling off a bit, I was still considering the purchase very seriously, as it is a really sweet deal on a very cool piece of software. But I must say, this puts a very different light on my desire to spend that money, no matter how nice the software (and it is very nice, jules!).

I can't imagine that honoring such a deal would have a significant impact on your bottom line. At the end of the day, though, the bad feelings built up from some people here just might, more so than a handful of rebates.

Let me add also that I am not some kid looking for a freebie - I am a professional, working engineer with a broadcasting company, and have been an active audio engineer for 20 years. I suspect that at least one or two others here might say the same?

My current employer, as well as several of my freelance clients the audio companies I work with, use a lot of Mackie hardware. (I mixed a live band on a 24 channel VLZ just this past Saturday, as a metter of fact.) We do this because the hardware quality is outstanding - but there is something to be said about the quality of customer service, too.

I know firsthand how bad opinions of that service can quickly manifest into lost sales, no matter how good the quality of your gear. I offer this for your consideration, because I have always respected Mackie as a company - and my opinion, for the 1st time, has just slipped down a notch. :(
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There is no stripped down T2. Thus if you want it, you need to get the Box. Just like if you want Reason, you have to purchase the box. Do you need all the samples and presets it comes with to make music.. NO. Do they give you an option? NO. The upgrade download was for registered full license T1 users. If you are not a registered full license T1 user, then you are not eligible for the download. It's that simple.

The offer for registered full license T1 users outside the US is where I'm concerned because they deserve a break like the US customers. Beyond that, you simply need the buy the damn box if you want it... just like you would for Reason, Sonar, Cubase, Digital Performer, ProTools, etc.
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spot on mod ...

... seems the switch from dl-only product to box-only product is proving hard for some 'customers' to comprehend ...

(exchange rate shenanigans notwithstanding)

slainte :? rob

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willowhaus wrote:Wait a minute...so the rebate offer that (some) NFR holders got was a mistake? And Mackie is not prepared to honor the offer, even though they made the error? Is that what I'm hearing, or am I wrong?
at what point in this thread did you read about rebates not being honored? I have not seen it mentioned once.
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pHz wrote:spot on mod ...

... seems the switch from dl-only product to box-only product is proving hard for some 'customers' to comprehend ...

(exchange rate shenanigans notwithstanding)

slainte :? rob
Not at all. Plenty of companies do it. The Props do it, Steinberg do it and so forth. Of course it's early days yet, but I don't remember ther ebeing such distro problems with Reason. I may be mistaken though.
But then, my retailers also charge an arm and a leg for programs like Reason too, so it's not just restricted to Tracktion. It's just a slow way of penetrating an already competitive marketplace. In keeping with the spirit of a rebellious Tracktion, why not do something a little different and offer it in a different format? If you want to beat Steinberg, you've got to outhtink them right? Why would you try to go head to head on the shelves when they already have a massive customer base? Maybe they really do have that much faith in Tracktion, I don't know. If so, they'll quickly want to upgrade some of the features that their customers will expect.
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dernil wrote:
mcnelson wrote:I'm a registered T1 owner, in the UK.

So, NFR users in the USA get a rebate on the full boxed T2 and I don't??? (as yet?)

Dammit Mackie, my ass hurts from the raping!!!
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No. NFRs in USA do not get a rebate, only T1 paid users get a rebate. No NFRs are supposed to get a rebate. If they did, it was due to sunspots or some other unforeseen electrical event/computer glitch.

dernil
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Right there I believe. From the mouth of Mackie...
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I believe what willowhaus was refering to was the fact that mackie offered a rebate for U.S. NFR users ($30) & then dernil (the mackie dude) came here & said that no they aren't going to get a rebate at all, blaming the offer on sunspots i believe (perhaps the mackie marketing guys have watched the film pi & have been staring into the sun for waaaaaay to long).
dernil wrote: No. NFRs in USA do not get a rebate, only T1 paid users get a rebate. No NFRs are supposed to get a rebate. If they did, it was due to sunspots or some other unforeseen electrical event/computer glitch.
Making the offer & then withdrawing it is just the next instalment in this comedy of errors.
The offer shouldn't have been made, they can't blame it on computer glitches etc.

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It just gets better and better........wow....
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I really wish I could find the posts where the DVD cover was discussed a year or two back; Jules effectively taking the piss out of people who insisted on a boxed version.

IMHO it's a backward step discontinuing the download version, seems against the whole Tracktion 'ethos' (i'm an idealist...) As has been said before, just another boxed sequencer now, similarly priced to products with, arguably better feature sets (though not Ts workflow, the big draw in my book). Hell, go to the Turnkey site to check the price and you'll see one of their current offers is Sonar 3 with an Edirol keyboard/audio interface for just over the £100 mark...

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The way I read it is.. No NFR's were supposed to get a rebate... if they did, it was due to a mistake. Much like the guy who upgraded his NFR for $20 bucks. Well, his tracktion is upgraded... he slipped thru because of a mistake. But odds are, any other NFRs won't get a rebate option because that hole has been filled. This is what I make of that statement. Nothing was ever stated about rebates not being honored tho.
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dernil wrote: No. NFRs in USA do not get a rebate, only T1 paid users get a rebate. No NFRs are supposed to get a rebate. If they did, it was due to sunspots or some other unforeseen electrical event/computer glitch.
That's very odd. I just checked my personal upgrade page and I still show a 60.00 rebate for T1 if I buy the box (I've already done the download upgrade), and 30.00 rebates for both of the NFRs I hold licenses for.(why 2? I'm not really sure, I remember doing one, but not two :shock: ).

Anyway, Beno has been on this forum stating that any and all rebates that show up are usable. I don't think I misunderstood as he actually said "get two T2 licenses and sync them together."
What's going on here. One Mackie rep says "No NFR rebates, ever." the other says "use them all". :shrug:

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True they should have never made the offer, i've said b4 that it was too good to be true, turns out I was right.
But the fact is that on their site they had a system in place (from what i can gather) where when U.S. NFR users went to the 'upgrade' page after recieving their 'upgrade' e-mails they were presented with a $30 rebate voucher.
That isn't a glitch, that's a conscious decision to implement that shit (if i am correct in the posts i have read).
Now they've decided that shouldn't have been there.
If it had been $60 I could believe that they'd mixed it up with the registered T1 users deal, but it was a different amount, different offer, same completely mickey mouse operation which they now claim 'never was', or if it was it was due to sunspots, the powers of darkness, the lizard overlords whatever.

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bk wrote: and 30.00 rebates for both of the NFRs I hold licenses for.
Anyway, Beno has been on this forum stating that any and all rebates that show up are usable. :shrug:
So just exactly what the hell is actually going on in mackie-land, or is it all a cunning plan?
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ModuLR wrote:The way I read it is.. No NFR's were supposed to get a rebate... if they did, it was due to a mistake.
The rebates are different amounts, though. Meaning they were intentionally set up that way. 60.00 for T1-full license users, and 30.00 for NFR holders. If this is a mistake, it was clearly going to be an option at one time. :?:
wtf.
Really, I couldn't care less about the NFR upgrades, but I *am* possibly planning to buy the box even though I've already done the online upgrade...

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I was just giving you my interpretation of that... and would suspect that if you have a rebate in your hand, it's probably valid regardless. But I don't know a thing first hand, as I don't work for Mackie.
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