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pooshka · Post by **pooshka** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:35 am

when i read the thread title i thought you meant "choir made of beautiful looking children". :p

anyway, in any case if the samples are as good as you say they are, then I'd definitely be interested. for full 2 DVD sample set maybe up to $100~$150. For 'lite' version in one CD then maybe $50~$80 would be ok.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:42 am

Once again - that could never happen. That price is not even something we could consider on the full version. Not for the full blown Kontakt 2, GS3 or HALion sets.

Let me give you some examples form our world of the market.

SOV (Symphony of Voices) and older but wonderful set of voices $499.99
VOTA a killer adult choir $599.99
VOTA2 even more killer $1000.00

So $150.00 for a double DVD of high end choir samples is not something we could do. Now a tiny AKAI version is another story and thus we would like to see if there is interest in the AKAI world.

Thank you and I hope we are not coming off in a bad light here. Again Steve was asking about a lite AKAI version and seeing if the AKAI user could use it, etc. Take care

pooshka · Post by **pooshka** » Wed May 11, 2005 4:03 am

well, i know, just wishful thinking hehe.

full version would probably be overkill for most people who are not extensively working with choral music anyway. presented at right price though, I think AKAI sample set would be awesome.

i'm sorry if $150 was an insulting pitch, i meant no harm. I was just thinking along the line of price that could tempt people like me to get into it (people who would be interested in using such samples, but people for whom such sample set is not absolute necessity for everyday music projects). come to think about it, based on the other prices you mention and putting my blind trust on the quality of the samples, maybe something along the line of $500~$600 would still be tempting enough for people like me.

to give further explanation, i was just thinking along the lines of something like GPO, just 'cause I know loads of people that got into it who were otherwise not interested in buying/using orchestra sample set normally.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Wed May 11, 2005 4:25 am

Absolutely no insult taken. GPO is $249.99 but I catch your drift. Yes, it is a remarkable product and at great price. I know Gary well and he has done the PC musician a great service. Thank you for your input. Well said.

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Wed May 11, 2005 9:40 am

PaulG wrote:Yes - definitely. IF...ESC can convert them as I don't have an AKAI-specific sampler

The samples in the 'lite' collection would be easy enough to use with any sampler that supports wavs and with a sample for every note, it wouldn't be rocket science to create your own programs/patches manually - just drag and drop the samples onto the appropriate note (all the samples are named by their actual pitch - A3, C#4, etc.) and set a sympathetic amplitude envelope (tho I guess this depends on the sampler you're using and how all that operates).

More and more s/w samplers are now supporting the popular S5/6000 format though.

and IF the "loops" as mentioned are simply more "one shots" than "loops" as in 4-beat kind of pre-written rhythmic patterns normally associated with the term.

The loops are loops in the 'traditional' sense of the word - the samples kick in with their natural attack and then sustain indefinitely with a smooth, seamless loop. E.g:

Oooooooo|ooooooo|ooooooo|ooooooo|ooooooo.... etc..

One thing I didn't mention is that each of the samples is around 5 seconds long. The initial 'attacks' are a few seconds long followed by long, luxurious loops that sound organic and natural - i.e. not:

Ooo|bzz|bzz|bzz|bzz....

They are not 'loops' in the more recent use of the term (i.e. rhythmic/melodic phrases/patterns repeating).

Thank you! I do a LOT of stuff with choral-based writing/samples.

- Paul

They sound ideal for you then! Please make a cheque payable to.....

That said, if - as you say - you do a lot of choral work, the FULL version will leave your jaw dropping!!!

Steve

Churchy · Post by **Churchy** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:27 am

this would be really cool , i would process them with BJ wavechanger

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Wed May 11, 2005 5:39 pm

Q:Is the basic consensus here that many would not use the samples via AKAI playback but more so just take the wav data and port it into the sampler of their choice?

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Wed May 11, 2005 5:44 pm

No one I know personally even uses Akai samplers anymore. Everyone I know uses a tool like CDXtract to convert to the format of their choice. I would probably change 'em to Soundfont format right off the bat, as I did with Symphony of Voices.

I don't think releasing it in Akai format is a bad idea, however. I would definitely still buy it (provided the material is different than SoV's disc2) because of the flexibility I have there in switching to different formats.

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:08 pm

I would be a MAYBE...the price would be a big part in the decision for me, as I would not be someone who would use them that often. Not concerned on the quality front, as I own Diva and know that Bela D do good stuff...

Wouldn't use Akai myself, would likely convert them to a different format. Out of curiosity: why bother mapping them to Akai at all? Why not just offer a cut down Halion/Kontakt format library instead?

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:26 pm

I think Michael Jackson would have some good all boy chior samples

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:29 pm

"Beautiful children's choir samples......"

you should have sampled ugly kids, they try harder!

ResonantOrder · Post by **ResonantOrder** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:35 pm

Personally, my cut-off point for sample collections is 250.00. So I don't know if your akai cd will meet that. I do wish that more sample cd's would release lite versions-but that would probably kill their larger collections.

Bela D Media · Post by **Bela D Media** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:37 pm

I don't want to talk price but this AKAI version would be under $250.00 BIG TIME~

ResonantOrder · Post by **ResonantOrder** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:38 pm

cyanogen wrote:I would love to see something like this! Then I could write spooky soundtrack music similar to Nightbreed.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to emulate the voices on Nightbreed. Elfman used a real choir, so I doubt I'll ever find anything to compare.

Nightbreed is tasty goodness. I recently picked up a promo only vinyl copy of the soundtrack. I had to have it. I have the symbol from the gate tatooed on my chest.

Sorry for going OT.

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:39 pm

Maybe.

I'm very interested but I don't have AKAI, and currently have to convert (=partly handwork) to ST2 or Wusikstation. (I hope that doesn't offend you, I know it doesn't compare to AKAI or GS3).