What do you think of Project5 version 2?
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- KVRian
- 690 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi
The groove matrix is pretty good, it's great as a compositional tool for laying out tracks. Some aspects aren't as good as Ableton (I prefer dj style mixing with Live), it depends what you use it for. Of course this makes sense if you believe that P5's first goal is composition while Ableton's first goal is Live use.
Dimension is great. It's like taking the good points of Sampletank (large library, lots of processing options) and combining it with a good sampler (excellent sample format with sfz and capabilities). The sound quality is high, I did the old aliasing test with it. I'm not 100% sure that I did it correctly, but it looks like it aliases slightly more than sfz in the highest quality mode and a gazillion time better than any of the other samplers (kontakt, halion, etc). It's not buggy and it cleverly combines synth and sampler functions. Great library, let me put it this way... Sampletank2 costs $375 and has 4.5gb of sounds as compared to Dimension (free with upgrade) comes with over 3gb of sounds. Dimension has better sound quality, more flexibility in sound creation and is nicer to work with (imo). So yeah, it's something to rave about I think.
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Dimension is great. It's like taking the good points of Sampletank (large library, lots of processing options) and combining it with a good sampler (excellent sample format with sfz and capabilities). The sound quality is high, I did the old aliasing test with it. I'm not 100% sure that I did it correctly, but it looks like it aliases slightly more than sfz in the highest quality mode and a gazillion time better than any of the other samplers (kontakt, halion, etc). It's not buggy and it cleverly combines synth and sampler functions. Great library, let me put it this way... Sampletank2 costs $375 and has 4.5gb of sounds as compared to Dimension (free with upgrade) comes with over 3gb of sounds. Dimension has better sound quality, more flexibility in sound creation and is nicer to work with (imo). So yeah, it's something to rave about I think.
s.
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- KVRist
- 391 posts since 28 Apr, 2002
I'd like to have a look at Dimension but the demo doesn't include it. I know I don't like P5 at all, but I'm hearing that Dimension works in other sequencers so maybe I could use it in FL.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 24 Sep, 2003
I've got P5 V2, and it rocks. Dimension is has some really great strings, ambient textures and just sounds in general. It's also got a piano resonance simulator that just rocks the house. Being a pianist originally, I have long wished for the depth and broadness of a real piano box in a sampled piano and Dimension has some of that.
The sequencing is intuitive to me too.
The sequencing is intuitive to me too.
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- KVRAF
- 2336 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Terra Firma
Thanks for the info. From the lack of general feedback it seems like the groovematrix isn't all that relevant to other owners. Hmm...sluggo wrote:The groove matrix is pretty good, it's great as a compositional tool for laying out tracks. Some aspects aren't as good as Ableton (I prefer dj style mixing with Live), it depends what you use it for. Of course this makes sense if you believe that P5's first goal is composition while Ableton's first goal is Live use.
Dimension is great. It's like taking the good points of Sampletank (large library, lots of processing options) and combining it with a good sampler (excellent sample format with sfz and capabilities). The sound quality is high, I did the old aliasing test with it. I'm not 100% sure that I did it correctly, but it looks like it aliases slightly more than sfz in the highest quality mode and a gazillion time better than any of the other samplers (kontakt, halion, etc). It's not buggy and it cleverly combines synth and sampler functions. Great library, let me put it this way... Sampletank2 costs $375 and has 4.5gb of sounds as compared to Dimension (free with upgrade) comes with over 3gb of sounds. Dimension has better sound quality, more flexibility in sound creation and is nicer to work with (imo). So yeah, it's something to rave about I think.
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Most people seem to be raving about the sampler. I'd like to know if anyone has tried to use the new funtion that allows synth plugin presets to be assigned to a midi keyboard. The video demo said that any preset could be called up, mapped and ready to play, while P5 is running.
It seemed to me that the live (Live) funtions were what P5v2 was being sold on in the video demo. Gapless audio and all that.
Is this working well?-
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
It will take time to get feedback - still, just try the demo yourself, I mean if people say it's shit do you not give it a chance?
It takes months if not years to trawl the depths of todays sequencer/host programs as there is so much going on.
My impression with groovematrix was it is just another tool that given time would serve up some variations on a theme - Live has not got a monopoly on this anymore - look at SXV3.
Flipper.
It will take time to get feedback - still, just try the demo yourself, I mean if people say it's shit do you not give it a chance?
It takes months if not years to trawl the depths of todays sequencer/host programs as there is so much going on.
My impression with groovematrix was it is just another tool that given time would serve up some variations on a theme - Live has not got a monopoly on this anymore - look at SXV3.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 37478 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Jeez Taboo does eat CPU - at 23ms latency it still eats up to 65% for the first few seconds on my 3.6 P4 with 2 Gig Ram - averaging around 45-50% for most of the track though.
Nice track though.
Nice track though.
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- KVRian
- 1302 posts since 9 Oct, 2003 from California
I can give you my .02
I own Live and Cubase SX3 and have been using the P5V2 Demo as I await my upgrade copy.
People have jumped to the conclusion that the Groove Matrix of P5 is the same as Live's. It's not. You can of course launch clips in a non-linear fashion as you can with LIve but that's where the similarity ends. Live's "clip bar" is much more useful than P5's implementation. For instance you can NOT choose the starting point of an audio clip in P5. If you want something other than the start of the audio file you have to split it and/or "slip edit" in the arrangement - neither convenient nor condusive to experimentation in my book. Also, you can neither choose the downbeat nor mangle the timing as you can in Live's "warp" function.
On the other hand, P5's implementaiton of device chains, arpegiators and softsynths is way ahead of Live.
At this point (with admitidly very limited expereince with P5) I'm thinking the best of both worlds is Using LIve as a rewire host and P5 as a client.
I still use Cubase as my main daw for audio recording and mixing.mastering but its implemetation of non-sequential launching is really only useful for broad strokes like repeating verses etc. At least in my use.
Dan
I own Live and Cubase SX3 and have been using the P5V2 Demo as I await my upgrade copy.
People have jumped to the conclusion that the Groove Matrix of P5 is the same as Live's. It's not. You can of course launch clips in a non-linear fashion as you can with LIve but that's where the similarity ends. Live's "clip bar" is much more useful than P5's implementation. For instance you can NOT choose the starting point of an audio clip in P5. If you want something other than the start of the audio file you have to split it and/or "slip edit" in the arrangement - neither convenient nor condusive to experimentation in my book. Also, you can neither choose the downbeat nor mangle the timing as you can in Live's "warp" function.
On the other hand, P5's implementaiton of device chains, arpegiators and softsynths is way ahead of Live.
At this point (with admitidly very limited expereince with P5) I'm thinking the best of both worlds is Using LIve as a rewire host and P5 as a client.
I still use Cubase as my main daw for audio recording and mixing.mastering but its implemetation of non-sequential launching is really only useful for broad strokes like repeating verses etc. At least in my use.
Dan
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- KVRian
- 690 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi
I think the gapless audio is working fairly well. Certainly better than v1 which wasn't too bad to begin with. My computer is somewhat underpowered but even still I can run maybe 8 vsti (including some cpu intensive stuff on z3ta+ and sytrus) with some fx without gaps. I've used the groove matrix a lot without gaps, it's pretty seamless. I aven't gotten into the keyboard layers and splits, that's not my shtick.
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- KVRist
- 222 posts since 3 Mar, 2004 from Austin, Texas
Having had V.2 for a couple of weeks now, I'm finding that my appreciation for the GrooveSynth is growing. At first I ignored it completely because I found it to be completely overshadowed by Dimension. And while Dimension is far superior to the GrooveSynth in just about every way, I will admit I'm having fun toying around with the Rhythm Set sounds in GrooveSynth. It's nice to have all those classic Roland drum machine sounds.
And some of the other sounds aren't bad once you add some effects. The pianos, strings and guitars in Dimension make the ones in the GrooveSynth sound pretty lame by comparison, but then the quality of these sounds in Dimension is what you would expect if you bought a specialized piano, strings, or guitar library. The piano, strings and guitar samples by themselves are probably worth twice the upgrade price.
All in all I'm extremely pleased with V.2. I stopped using V.1 after I upgraded to Sonar, but now I'm starting to use V.2 for composition and tracking, then rewiring into Sonar to render the midi tracks to audio for mixing in Sonar.
And some of the other sounds aren't bad once you add some effects. The pianos, strings and guitars in Dimension make the ones in the GrooveSynth sound pretty lame by comparison, but then the quality of these sounds in Dimension is what you would expect if you bought a specialized piano, strings, or guitar library. The piano, strings and guitar samples by themselves are probably worth twice the upgrade price.
All in all I'm extremely pleased with V.2. I stopped using V.1 after I upgraded to Sonar, but now I'm starting to use V.2 for composition and tracking, then rewiring into Sonar to render the midi tracks to audio for mixing in Sonar.
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 23 Apr, 2005
One really unique and powerful implementation of the Groove matrix in P5V2 is the ability to drag automation from the your library right into it. In my pattern library I have, for example, all of the LFO settings for PSYN. The idea is to have one layer for each paramater (LFO1, LFO2, etc.), and then build an audition matrix with all the combinations of those paramaters (LFO1 = 2 + LFO2 = 1 etc.) in columns. This can be done quicly using CTRL+DRAG to copy groups of cells, and you can have upto 64 setting combos in there at a given time.
Once you have whittled that list down to your favorite 10 or so, then you just hit record, jump through the matrix consecutively, and there you have it. All you favorite sound combos are laid out in 1 measure blocks for you in the arrange pane, with splits already cut between them.
Brilliant,
and very different from ableton live.
Once you have whittled that list down to your favorite 10 or so, then you just hit record, jump through the matrix consecutively, and there you have it. All you favorite sound combos are laid out in 1 measure blocks for you in the arrange pane, with splits already cut between them.
Brilliant,
and very different from ableton live.