What host for a beginner?

[Lunch Money]

Right, which completely counters his stability point.

In his defence, though (the world has turned upside down!) he was using that as evidence of ability to use Live's workflow to successfully complete songs, period, not necessarily referring to stability issues.

[AndrewSimon]

Wow it's amazing.
1 simple question, 45 answers.

So here is number 46 .... use whatever you want it's all the same....

nah just use Tracktion it's the king of simple.

[headquest]

I recently completed a 50-minute album of material using Ableton Live as the only host throughout

50 minutes? Thats it?

I'm on my 141st project with Tracktion of which I've sold 80. So if each album has 12 songs, I've basically done 6.6 whole albums. With only 1 crash (which wasnt even Tracktions fault but more SampleTank1 acting up ).

50 minutes .

I've been using Live as my main host for less than 6 months. I was using Tracktion long before that as well as Reason and have made plenty of music - including some paid for - in both of those.

[headquest]

Right, which completely counters his stability point.

In his defence, though (the world has turned upside down!) he was using that as evidence of ability to use Live's workflow to successfully complete songs, period, not necessarily referring to stability issues.

Thanks LM That's it exactly.

By the way, Ableton Live has never crashed on me... except when I tried to rewire it into Tracktion

[headquest]

"Laden with bugs and issues" could not be further from the truth.

Would you like a list?

[music55]

Snootles....it seems your message has created a litle storm about which host finally win. I am a guitarist and the most of my recording are based in the guitar. This is my experience since I started to record; I was using Cubase, but, like you, I was looking for something with a quick performance....I got tired of a big list of menus to get a simple thing. From this moment I am using Traktion. You can put your ideas very quickly without spent time moving the mouse from button to menus and so on. It is very easy to learn for those people who has never used a host, and, very important..the price. May be, when you will step in the future in this world, you can think in another host as you will need more features ( really advanced features), but Traktion has a "big room to move" and according with the music you are recording and you will do, may be you will never miss another host.
About Live, I have been playing with a demo...and I liked very much. It seems even more effective than traktion to record your musical ideas on the fly and play with the arranges. But price is so far from traktion that you have to think twice before go for it. It also depend of the music you are doing, because Live is mostly oriented to repetitive loop based music I think. So at last my concern is....try both and check what is the best for you.

[AD80]

"Laden with bugs and issues" could not be further from the truth.

Would you like a list?

Every host has a "list". Whats that gonna prove?
None of the Tracktion bugs are show stoppers. Most are minor annoyances. Unless you use one of those crazy people computers that always have problems, I forgot their name, I think they're called Macs.

[feyshay]

Gotta say--Live was my first computer program and still is my favorite. For the price Energy XT is excellent, but I have yet to learn it to any extent. (I currently use it as a an effects chainer.) Live needs to develop plug-in delay compensation. Everyone believes this will happen in Live 5 (which I believe will be out by falltime).

[headquest]

Gotta say--Live was my first computer program and still is my favorite. For the price Energy XT is excellent, but I have yet to learn it to any extent. (I currently use it as a an effects chainer.) Live needs to develop plug-in delay compensation. Everyone believes this will happen in Live 5 (which I believe will be out by falltime).

Gotta say, I think Live 5 will be out before too long , and yes, I'm rooting for the fall/autumn.

Live has only been around for about a year or so longer than Tracktion, and yet it is already approaching version 5 . That really is a testement to the energy and focus that has gone into its development . And each major release has added significant new functionality to the program.

PDC, Freeze, Per-track arpeggiation are favourites for inclusion in version 5

The fact that in such a short period of time Live is also now widely used by the professional musician community, including some very big name endorsees, and that it is approaching "household name" status among anyone with a passing interest in music technology, serve to underline just how significant, genuinely revolutionary, and influencial Ableton Live has been .

[AD80]

PDC, Freeze, Per-track arpeggiation are favourites for inclusion in version 5

Tracktion has had PDC and Freeze for a LOOONG time now.

[headquest]

PDC, Freeze, Per-track arpeggiation are favourites for inclusion in version 5

Tracktion has had PDC and Freeze for a LOOONG time now.

So what?

(By the way, I hope that Ableton implement these features properly...
...For those who don't know Tracktion, when you freeze tracks the software freezes the volum/pan, so you can't do basic level adjustments without unfreezeing them again . And PDC seems to be faulty/limited in scope too, judging by the posts from those who have latency-inducing plugins )

I'm assuming that you're trying to prove Tracktion is better than Live? That seems to me fairly pointless and, dare I say it, juvenile. They are simply different. They are suitable for different tasks, and appeal to different approaches of workflow. So far as I am concerned there is not a competition going on, although if there is, Ableton have clearly won already based on the prominence and success of the software (which in turn is based on both the originality and excellence of the software itself, plus the skill with which it has been marketed )

I like both, have both, use both... I'm guessing here that you don't own/use Live

[pHz]

i do though ... and i STILL think you started this particular 'which is better' game mate ...

slainte rob

[AD80]

I'm assuming that you're trying to prove Tracktion is better than Live?

Uhm actually I'm just proving that the number of a release is irrelevant. So what if Live is at version 5??

I definitely havent been trying to prove Tracktions supperiority over Live. I havent sayd ONE BAD THING about live in any of my replys. You've been constantly bashing Tracktion since your first post. So you tell me who's being juvenile .

I like both, have both, use both... I'm guessing here that you don't own/use Live

Wrong as usual. I probably know Live better than you .

[jens]

...For those who don't know Tracktion, when you freeze tracks the software freezes the volum/pan, so you can't do basic level adjustments without unfreezeing them again

and everything gets freezed in one single file which means it has to render it all again if you freeze and even if you unfreeze just one single track. And hell, therefor you can't even mute a freezed track.

Tracktions freeze-function is absolutely useless imo.

[pHz]

absolutely useless TO YOU ...

... i find eXTs mixer to be absolutely useless

slainte rob