THE VIDEO

[lharless]

----edited----

[Lunch Money]

Headquest, backtracking a few pages to a comment you made that I missed-- about how you just don't like 'fanboys' making Tracktion out to be great while everything else is 'shite'.

I think you'll find that most of the time when comparisons are brought up, YOU'RE the one bringing them up. <insert whatever smilie is needed so that you know I'm not saying that in a particularly angry or frothing-at-the-mouth way> I, and many others, simply mention what we LIKE about Tracktion and you're right there saying that the functions we like are either poorly implemented or available in other apps. It's not like I (for one) have ever posted in a thread saying, "Hey guys, check out these Racks that blow away anything Live is capable of!"

Am I a fan? Yep!! Unashamedly!! Am I a "fanboy"? No, because that implies a lack of thought. Trust me, I am very capable of rational and logical thought. Almost to a fault. The rare time I've been the first one to be the first in a thread to draw comparisons, it's always in the context of providing information, not simply "trashing" anything else.

Greg

[semiquaver]

To answer Headquest's litany of comparisons - the "revolutionary" aspect of T is that it is designed right from the bottom up - powerful economical and consistent. And in the sequencer world that is revolutionary!!

Does about anything and can be learned in a minute - like the game of "go".

I think Live is the only app you mentioned that has anything new to offer - but its complex and loop oriented - I like tracktion's *single* interface - its like consciousness!

I confess I am always on Mackie's case about the marketing or whatever - its because Tracktion was such a revelation to me that I just can't stand the idea of it not being properly maintained and marketed. I don't want to work in DP, PT, or Logic anymore - and I'm too frigging old to make any more platform changes for a while so I just want Mackie to pull it off!

As for your sniping Headquest, snipe away - if you end up slogging through an M-powered life - well, enjoy! its T for me.

[ModuLR]

<lharless> you're absolutely correct. while not the best method of judgement, i still get a feeling that this is a mistake, and that's all im trying to get across. what are you trying to accomplish by this whole debunking campaign? lolol. it's not like a wrote a bad review of the product. only a simple demo vid. calm yourself down and go drink some warm milk. lol.

did I sound upset? I thought I tagged my entire comment with a light hearted ...

<lharless> what in the world makes you think that? lol. just because you beta'd the software? lol! while your wishful thinking is amusing, i would like to see the best for tracktion as well. i think it will eventually do fine, but not on this version. it's gonna be a few updates and a version or two before you'll see a userbase as big as the "bloatware" companies. i hope that happens soon though. i'd like to see more money sunk into T.

what does beta testing software have to do with anything in this thread?

[lharless]

-----edited-----

[lharless]

----edited----

[ModuLR]

I'm not hugging you.. you smell if liquor and cheap women's perfume...

[diverdee]

if i hug anyone & get in to bed smelling of strange mens sweat I believe our lass may withhold nookie from me - & as wonderful as many of you fine chaps no doubt are, that is far too high a price to pay, so with all due respect bugger the lot of you (not literally, purely a metaphor you understand).

[lharless]

----edited----

[headquest]

To answer Headquest's litany of comparisons - the "revolutionary" aspect of T is that it is designed right from the bottom up - powerful economical and consistent. And in the sequencer world that is revolutionary!!

Can you explain what you mean about Tracktion being "designed right from the bottom up" and how that differs from, for example, Reason, Ableton Live, etc? How do you think they were designed? And they both predate Tracktion, right?

I know that some sequencers come across as "bloatware" and I agree that the ergonomics of Tracktion are far better from a typical users point of view, but I'm not sure that Tracktion is the only, or even the first program to start with a clean sheet?

If I'm wrong about that of course, then that answers my point before.

By the way, for all those who are flaming me and/or upset by the "litany of comparissons", it wasn't actually me that started that... in 2002 Jules said that he was writing Tracktion because he "Hated every other sequencer". And Mackie are continuing such comparissons/negativity towards all other muisic software right through to the recent T2 marketing advertisements.

What goes around, comes around, as they say

As for your sniping Headquest, snipe away - if you end up slogging through an M-powered life - well, enjoy! its T for me.

I've decided not to bother with PT M-P actually. But it was interesting taking a look. And it's OK to take a look at "the others" without having to hate them

[headquest]

Headquest, backtracking a few pages to a comment you made that I missed-- about how you just don't like 'fanboys' making Tracktion out to be great while everything else is 'shite'.

See post above...!

I think you'll find that most of the time when comparisons are brought up, YOU'RE the one bringing them up. <insert whatever smilie is needed so that you know I'm not saying that in a particularly angry or frothing-at-the-mouth way> I, and many others, simply mention what we LIKE about Tracktion and you're right there saying that the functions we like are either poorly implemented or available in other apps. It's not like I (for one) have ever posted in a thread saying, "Hey guys, check out these Racks that blow away anything Live is capable of!"

That's true, you don't do that. I wasn't thinking of you as a fanboy when I said that anyway - you've been a real gent around these parts recently

Am I a fan? Yep!! Unashamedly!! Am I a "fanboy"? No, because that implies a lack of thought. Trust me, I am very capable of rational and logical thought. Almost to a fault. The rare time I've been the first one to be the first in a thread to draw comparisons, it's always in the context of providing information, not simply "trashing" anything else.

Greg

I don't want to trash Tracktion because it's worked brilliantly for me and been a highly productive tool over the last couple of years. I'm just really frustrated that I'm having so many problems/issues with the new version. Having recommended it so widely to friends, schools and pupils too, I feel really upset with how things have gone in recent weeks .

So then I come across to here, hoping for help, and finding from some (including you, pHz, and others) but being mercilessly attacked by others, such as:

I recently completed a 50-minute album of material using Ableton Live as the only host throughout

50 minutes? Thats it?

I'm on my 141st project with Tracktion of which I've sold 80. So if each album has 12 songs, I've basically done 6.6 whole albums. With only 1 crash (which wasnt even Tracktions fault but more SampleTank1 acting up.

50 minutes

...which was totally unprovoked so far as I can see .

Disagreeing about software is one thing, and I have no problems with that. But when somebody I've never met attacks me as a musician... that I find upsetting. And it put me in a bad mood. I apologise that that reflected in some of my other posts yesterday though.

I kind of thought that Tracktion - and this forum - were good for anyone to use. I didn't know that coming here would open me to personal attacks on my music . Nor did it occur to me that I could only post here if I was a true professional user like AD80. Did I miss something?

Anyway, I've said more than I need and started rambling, so I'll sign off. It's clear I'm not welcome here, so farewell amigos and peace to you all

[braj]

I love T, I love Live, but I'd say Live is easier to use than T2 IMO. Doing very simple stuff in T is easy, but some stuff you need to RTFM to figure out (even seemingly simple stuff sometimes), and Live4 I figured out completely by using it. (with the caveat of having previous sequencer knowledge). Though it contains probably the best tutorial included with a DAW, you really don't need it IMO.

[AD80]

Headquest, are you kidding me? Now you're playing the victim role and transfering replys from other threads to add to the trolling on this thread?

Ok, lets talk about that other thread.

This is my first reply on that thread.....

Hi,

I need one which is fairly straight forward and will allow me to get going quickly.

Starts with a T and rhymes with Action.

Completely on topic and short.

Heres parts of your first reply:

...Although the interface of Tracktion is possibly clearer to a complete newcomer, you quickly find that you need to get bogged down in settings elsewhere.........

....Lastly, Tracktion is heavy laden with bugs and issues at present. Although the overall concept of Tracktion is fantastic, a glance over on the user forum will alert you to the very serious problems that users are grappling with at present

Completely insulting Tracktion and giving no specific examples of your nonsense. I mean Laden with bugs and issues is a ridiculus thing to say about something as stable as Tracktion. And at the same time you say it in a completely distructive way. Not "hoping for help" . (such a drama queen)

So then I come across to here, hoping for help...

Right.

I recently completed a 50-minute album of material using Ableton Live as the only host throughout

50 minutes? Thats it?

I'm on my 141st project with Tracktion of which I've sold 80. So if each album has 12 songs, I've basically done 6.6 whole albums. With only 1 crash (which wasnt even Tracktions fault but more SampleTank1 acting up.

50 minutes

...which was totally unprovoked so far as I can see .

Disagreeing about software is one thing, and I have no problems with that. But when somebody I've never met attacks me as a musician... that I find upsetting. And it put me in a bad mood. I apologise that that reflected in some of my other posts yesterday though.

I kind of thought that Tracktion - and this forum - were good for anyone to use. I didn't know that coming here would open me to personal attacks on my music . Nor did it occur to me that I could only post here if I was a true professional user like AD80. Did I miss something?

Did you miss something? Yes, something very big, I NEVER INSULTED YOUR MUSIC, OR YOU AS A MUSICIAN YOU DRAMA QUEEN. You stated that you completed a 50 minute project in Live like it was a big accomplishment that could never be done in Tracktion. So I had to sonn you and make it clear that Tracktion is capable of much more than that. I've never even heard your music, and even if I did I would never attack somebodys music because its subjective.

It's clear I'm not welcome here, so farewell amigos and peace to you all

Stick around man, you're making way too big a deal out of this. Everybody's welcome. Just try to minimize your trolling. We all know you love Live, but that doesnt mean you need to clown Tracktion at every oportunity.

[AD80]

I love T, I love Live, but I'd say Live is easier to use than T2 IMO. Doing very simple stuff in T is easy, but some stuff you need to RTFM to figure out (even seemingly simple stuff sometimes), and Live4 I figured out completely by using it. (with the caveat of having previous sequencer knowledge). Though it contains probably the best tutorial included with a DAW, you really don't need it IMO.

What does this have to do with the price of Coke in Guam?

[haydxn]

To answer Headquest's litany of comparisons - the "revolutionary" aspect of T is that it is designed right from the bottom up - powerful economical and consistent. And in the sequencer world that is revolutionary!!

Can you explain what you mean about Tracktion being "designed right from the bottom up" and how that differs from, for example, Reason, Ableton Live, etc? How do you think they were designed? And they both predate Tracktion, right?

you're missing the point of the sentence; it's not "T was designed from the bottom up" it's "the "revolutionary" aspect of T is that it is designed right from the bottom up - powerful economical and consistent.". He's not saying that Tracktion was merely designed from the bottom up, of course that doesn't hold much. What's being said is that it was designed on the fundamental principles of being consistent to the user, economical (cheap!) and downright powerful with minimal effort.

By the way, for all those who are flaming me and/or upset by the "litany of comparissons", it wasn't actually me that started that... in 2002 Jules said that he was writing Tracktion because he "Hated every other sequencer". And Mackie are continuing such comparissons/negativity towards all other muisic software right through to the recent T2 marketing advertisements.

I don't think this is really all about negativity. There's not a single thing wrong with what jules has said in the past, and it's a fine reason to start working on a new different way of doing things. He doesn't like the way sequencers did their thing, so he set out to make a program that did things differently. Most of us keen users felt the same, hence the switch to Tracktion - it's just more like the sequencer we want to use. There's nothing wrong with disliking other sequencers - everyone has a preference. It's equally valid to not like Tracktion's way of working. There isn't anything morally unsound about letting people know that it's different; if people have a hard time with other sequencers and dislike their operation, then it's a good thing that mackie are being clear about their opinion. If people don't like other sequencers, then it's likely that Tracktion would appeal to them, and it's perfectly fair for mackie to suggest that.