Your mileage may vary though! This is JUST MY OPINION.
- bManic
Fabfilter Volcano Demo is online...
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- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Yeah, I hope they add these ASAP. They wont get my money before that. Btw, I just tried frantic again and compared it to volcano and I have to say, the difference is quite big.. in volcanos favour. It just sounds much better at extreme settings and no matter how nice modulation options frantic has, the sound doesn't inspire me which makes everything else redundant. No use having a ferrari chassis, breaks and interior with a tyota engine.
Your mileage may vary though! This is JUST MY OPINION.
- bManic
Your mileage may vary though! This is JUST MY OPINION.
- bManic
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Oh dear... time to release 1.1...semiquaver wrote:its got oscillators! - band-limited oscillators are no big thing - but filters are much trickier to implement (particularly moving ones...) - so they are proud of their filters ergo the name. This kicks filterscapes butt btw imho xox m
Urs-
- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Indeed. Unfortunately I agree (sorry Urs!Urs wrote:Oh dear... time to release 1.1...semiquaver wrote:its got oscillators! - band-limited oscillators are no big thing - but filters are much trickier to implement (particularly moving ones...) - so they are proud of their filters ergo the name. This kicks filterscapes butt btw imho xox m
). Fabfilter does raise the bar IMHO. It really screams like nothing else.. it's hard to get a bad sound of it , unless you hate the transistor like distortion that it makes when crankin' up the gain! Me? I love it!- bManic
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 18 Apr, 2005
hi bmanic,
i compare both again too and i find out that if you insert frantic and boost up the input and output level you have an much better waveshaping effect then in volcano. fab filter distorted here very digital (my mind). i use hardware filter too. i have the sherman and orginal ms20, but they are not stereo and i can insert this guys in my cubase mixer
i think everyone must figure out what the best is for making music. good filter is not the gurantee for good tracks)
i compare both again too and i find out that if you insert frantic and boost up the input and output level you have an much better waveshaping effect then in volcano. fab filter distorted here very digital (my mind). i use hardware filter too. i have the sherman and orginal ms20, but they are not stereo and i can insert this guys in my cubase mixer
i think everyone must figure out what the best is for making music. good filter is not the gurantee for good tracks
)bmanic wrote:Yeah, I hope they add these ASAP. They wont get my money before that. Btw, I just tried frantic again and compared it to volcano and I have to say, the difference is quite big.. in volcanos favour. It just sounds much better at extreme settings and no matter how nice modulation options frantic has, the sound doesn't inspire me which makes everything else redundant. No use having a ferrari chassis, breaks and interior with a tyota engine.
Your mileage may vary though! This is JUST MY OPINION.
- bManic
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- u-he
- 30215 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, yeah, FabFilter has a surprisingly good sound. It might be the virtual analogue out there with the smoothes character, I don't know.bmanic wrote:Indeed. Unfortunately I agree (sorry Urs!
- bManic
However, [plugin x] might not have the ultimate colour, but it might have the best concept for the stuff you want to do. FS for instance is not designed to scream or something, it's designed to make otherwise complex things easy to handle (i.e. complex eq automation).
And I can assure you that FSVA 1.1 makes the hardest attacks possible, at a reasonable price and moderate cpu consumption
Cheers,
Urs-
- KVRist
- 250 posts since 22 Jun, 2004 from NYC
Don't worry Urs! There are so many features in FS that aren't there in Volcano. I haven't tried Volcano yet, but the morphing/snapshot EQ is definitely innovative in all your plugs. There really are endless routing capabilities in FS. I have yet to actually sit down and work out some basic functions using FS, but there is time to try everything.
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- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
I agree. Urs filter is still the most pleasing to work with. Very intuitive to use. Still, competition is a bitch.. fabfilter gets my money if they implement midi note on triggering for the envelope/LFO's. I might actually end up getting both as there are tons of things that volcano can't do. Also, I happen to like the synth that you get with your plug Urs! Very much so!
VstSchrauber: I disagree. Like I said, volcanos distortion sounds like nasty transistor distortion but it definately doesn't sound 'gritty' in a digital way, at least to my ears. I happen to like nasty transistor distortion on stuff.
- bManic
VstSchrauber: I disagree. Like I said, volcanos distortion sounds like nasty transistor distortion but it definately doesn't sound 'gritty' in a digital way, at least to my ears. I happen to like nasty transistor distortion on stuff.
- bManic
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 24 May, 2005 from Germany
CTO, Gerd Hilgemann
www.basementarts.de
www.basementarts.de
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 18 Apr, 2005
hi bmanic, iam not the filter expert. i study for some hours 2 -3 filter plugins and follow these new thread some minutes ago:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89079
are you albe to setup volcano or any other filterplugin to sound like this (please tell me how then):
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... verDie.mp3
i try it with volcano with high level and resonance, but got only big feedback and digital distortion, doing something wrong?
or to use such kind of fast lfos fx:
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... f%20TD.mp3
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... .%20ES.mp3
only my sherman has such kind of fast lfos.
can i do this with urs filterscape or nitro?
at last how did the artist "gary bruckheimer (on basementarts.de) this break? they write that he uses the internal env follower in frantic. (dont know if this is your musicstyle))
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... body01.mp3
thanks for your time man. i know 99Euro is not much for a filter like frantic or volcano, my sherman coast about 400 euros (and it is mono only), i wanted the best for my money, thanks for all tips.
vstschrauber
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89079
are you albe to setup volcano or any other filterplugin to sound like this (please tell me how then):
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... verDie.mp3
i try it with volcano with high level and resonance, but got only big feedback and digital distortion, doing something wrong?
or to use such kind of fast lfos fx:
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... f%20TD.mp3
http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... .%20ES.mp3
only my sherman has such kind of fast lfos.
can i do this with urs filterscape or nitro?
at last how did the artist "gary bruckheimer (on basementarts.de) this break? they write that he uses the internal env follower in frantic. (dont know if this is your musicstyle
))http://www.basementarts.de/FranticVideo ... body01.mp3
thanks for your time man. i know 99Euro is not much for a filter like frantic or volcano, my sherman coast about 400 euros (and it is mono only), i wanted the best for my money, thanks for all tips.
vstschrauber
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
Hello folks.
I share the same opinion as bmanic (coincidentally it was him who alerted me about the demo of Volcano coming available
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Soundwise Volcano is the best filter plugin out there. Like some other people, I've tried them all. Including Frantic.
But, having a characteristic sound, no matter how appealing it is, is only half the story. All the added features, modulation possibilities etc. amount up to 'almost as important as the sound' in my book. And that's where the differences between all the available plugins come into play.
URS - FilterScape definitely sounds good. And the featureset is damn nice. The little bonus VA in my eyes is the big thing in your plugin package, now that baby has some nice character indeed, and is up there in my list of pleasing-to-use VSTis. Congratulations on making it
As for the other filters... they all have some good things in them. QuadFrohmage is a killer when it comes to obliterating and reconstructing sounds. While Antares Filter does nothing to me soundwise, there are some things in the user interface I really like. And the little pattern sequencer thing nice. One worthy filter that's not often mentioned is Markus/ReFX' Filterbank. No interface, but sounds great on some things. Perhaps not a filter I'd choose if I could only choose one, but in heavy use over here. Nitro is interesting in what all it can do to your sound... the user interface isn't my cup of tea at all, but it really is like a modular effects section trapped inside a cumbersome little box.
Frantic sounded interesting on paper (or should that be on screen?). Somehow its "MS20" filters etc. didn't exactly strike me as good emulations. But the plugin has a lot going on, and thanks to the featureset it gets high points from me when it comes to usage.
There's a good variety of filter plugins available now that I think of it, I just wish I could name them all so someone interested in 'em could easily check out all the options before committing to any single one.
Some that pop into my head are ZaFi (which I recall was rather featureladden but didn't sound that spectacular, though it offered plenty of different modes), good old Waldorf D-pole (which used to be "the one" back in the day)... hmm, what else was there
Oh, NorthPole is still in use over here, it does this 'FatBoy Slim' style thing very well though the plugin itself is nothing special.
And then there's all the freebies floating around the net. Haven't checked out most of them as most of them offer little else than standard SE components put together.
A stupid piece of advice - try all the demos If it sounds good but you can't make it do what you want, consider something else. If it's filled with envelope followers, modulation matrices, effects and whatnot but the filter itself sounds like run-of-the-mill 'found this code from the internet' filter, consider something else.
Jackle&Hyde's Vampire looks interesting. I know he's a good coder and sound quality has been a priority to him, therefore I'm positive about Vampire sounding good.
Me? I'm going back to tweaking Volcano demo. The sound is almost scary, to my ears it's that good.
VstSchrauber - just noticed your post appearing while previewing mine. Interesting "challenge", have to listen to those examples and see what other filters can do to imitate those
Regards,
JMH
I share the same opinion as bmanic (coincidentally it was him who alerted me about the demo of Volcano coming available
).Soundwise Volcano is the best filter plugin out there. Like some other people, I've tried them all. Including Frantic.
But, having a characteristic sound, no matter how appealing it is, is only half the story. All the added features, modulation possibilities etc. amount up to 'almost as important as the sound' in my book. And that's where the differences between all the available plugins come into play.
URS - FilterScape definitely sounds good. And the featureset is damn nice. The little bonus VA in my eyes is the big thing in your plugin package, now that baby has some nice character indeed, and is up there in my list of pleasing-to-use VSTis. Congratulations on making it
As for the other filters... they all have some good things in them. QuadFrohmage is a killer when it comes to obliterating and reconstructing sounds. While Antares Filter does nothing to me soundwise, there are some things in the user interface I really like. And the little pattern sequencer thing nice. One worthy filter that's not often mentioned is Markus/ReFX' Filterbank. No interface, but sounds great on some things. Perhaps not a filter I'd choose if I could only choose one, but in heavy use over here. Nitro is interesting in what all it can do to your sound... the user interface isn't my cup of tea at all, but it really is like a modular effects section trapped inside a cumbersome little box.
Frantic sounded interesting on paper (or should that be on screen?). Somehow its "MS20" filters etc. didn't exactly strike me as good emulations. But the plugin has a lot going on, and thanks to the featureset it gets high points from me when it comes to usage.
There's a good variety of filter plugins available now that I think of it, I just wish I could name them all so someone interested in 'em could easily check out all the options before committing to any single one.
Some that pop into my head are ZaFi (which I recall was rather featureladden but didn't sound that spectacular, though it offered plenty of different modes), good old Waldorf D-pole (which used to be "the one" back in the day)... hmm, what else was there
Oh, NorthPole is still in use over here, it does this 'FatBoy Slim' style thing very well though the plugin itself is nothing special.And then there's all the freebies floating around the net. Haven't checked out most of them as most of them offer little else than standard SE components put together.
A stupid piece of advice - try all the demos
If it sounds good but you can't make it do what you want, consider something else. If it's filled with envelope followers, modulation matrices, effects and whatnot but the filter itself sounds like run-of-the-mill 'found this code from the internet' filter, consider something else.Jackle&Hyde's Vampire looks interesting. I know he's a good coder and sound quality has been a priority to him, therefore I'm positive about Vampire sounding good.
Me? I'm going back to tweaking Volcano demo. The sound is almost scary, to my ears it's that good.
VstSchrauber - just noticed your post appearing while previewing mine. Interesting "challenge", have to listen to those examples and see what other filters can do to imitate those
Regards,
JMH
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- KVRAF
- 11381 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Nice! I'll see what I can pull out of volcano. About frantic, I simply didn't like the sound of it. It's modulation matrix and flexibility is very nice but as the sound didn't inspire me I stopped using the demo (I did give it a good 2 hour workout.. which meant a LOT of restarts of the plugin. I actually prefere a 1 second mute every 30 seconds to that silly 3 minute working per restart!).VstSchrauber wrote:.. lots of interesting challenges ..
- bManic
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- KVRian
- 1243 posts since 24 Oct, 2003 from Maine
I'm so impressed by the rate at which native plugin technology is evolving. The quality of some stuff released recently would've been unthinkable a couple years ago.
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 26 Feb, 2004
bmanic, i must say that i totally disagree with you. not that volcano is a bad filter or something but the things you wrote about frantic makes me really angry and wonder if you ever used analog filters or only read about them in books.
the tweaked filters by antti in frantic are imho the best around together with the minimonsta, korg legacy, creamware and vaz modular stuff. the sound is really powerful and homogenous. especially the self-oscillation and the energy in the lower frequencies is simply amazing. did you notice how the resonance sound is reacting to high level signals? a good friend of mine now uses frantic instead of a minimmog and voyager for filtering complete sections of playbacks cause he thinks it is nearly as good as the real thing + it´s stereo.
after checking out volcano i needed to post here cause i think frantic wins hands down with more analogue sound and a lot more flexibility. i´m a bit biased because i did alot of beta testing for frantic and know this beast very well. and of course it´s a matter of taste what sound one likes better and i respect your opinion.
let´s wait what the magazines will say about the new filters.
the tweaked filters by antti in frantic are imho the best around together with the minimonsta, korg legacy, creamware and vaz modular stuff. the sound is really powerful and homogenous. especially the self-oscillation and the energy in the lower frequencies is simply amazing. did you notice how the resonance sound is reacting to high level signals? a good friend of mine now uses frantic instead of a minimmog and voyager for filtering complete sections of playbacks cause he thinks it is nearly as good as the real thing + it´s stereo.
after checking out volcano i needed to post here cause i think frantic wins hands down with more analogue sound and a lot more flexibility. i´m a bit biased because i did alot of beta testing for frantic and know this beast very well. and of course it´s a matter of taste what sound one likes better and i respect your opinion.
let´s wait what the magazines will say about the new filters.
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 18 Apr, 2005
i ordered frantic today. for me it has defently the better sound. i was not able to produce such kind of great boosty fx or bass sounds in any other filter. i am a old analouge fan, maybe some guys dont remeber how good analouge filters can sound.
bimanic, are you working for fabfilter?! or are you fabfilter?
bimanic, are you working for fabfilter?! or are you fabfilter?