Delete Filter With Drag?
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 18 May, 2005
The great thing about Tracktion is that you can do things visually, like drag an input, or drag a filter... but I often delete filters and so far either have to right click and read words, or press a key. This screws up my workflow. Is it possible to do it with the mouse with a quick gesture? I would like to drag the filter and drop it anywhere like off to the side and have it disappear.
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- KVRist
- 113 posts since 6 Jan, 2005
Damn, that's nitpicky! Your workflow must be very thenthitive. Maybe a doctor can prescribe ritalin or straterra for your attention deficit. Also try smoking less pot.
The answer is no. However you can hilight the filter (red outline) and press Delete or Backspace.
The answer is no. However you can hilight the filter (red outline) and press Delete or Backspace.
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
It's not really even nitpicky. It makes more sense really that if you can add a filter that way, you could also remove a filter that way.
But hey, it's just this overrated thing called user interface design, so overrated... Nowadays, more often than not, software has a feature similar to this, but it hasn't been thought through - you have one or two 'visual' ways of doing something, but other related tasks cannot be performed in a similar fashion. Which in the long run is a little shortsighted - a little more thought and listening to user feedback goes a long way, if reading or learning about interface design isn't interesting...
(And no, I'm not criticizing T2 in any way whatsoever apart from this particular feature perhaps not realized to the extent it could be)
Regards,
JMH
But hey, it's just this overrated thing called user interface design, so overrated... Nowadays, more often than not, software has a feature similar to this, but it hasn't been thought through - you have one or two 'visual' ways of doing something, but other related tasks cannot be performed in a similar fashion. Which in the long run is a little shortsighted - a little more thought and listening to user feedback goes a long way, if reading or learning about interface design isn't interesting...
(And no, I'm not criticizing T2 in any way whatsoever apart from this particular feature perhaps not realized to the extent it could be)
Regards,
JMH
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 41 posts since 18 May, 2005
You are suggesting I take psychiatric drugs because Tracktion has an inconsistency?
The only reason why I am using Tracktion right now is because it allows my brain to release itself from any analytical thinking and enter that mystical/visual mode of thought. This is THE reason why I am more creative in Tracktion than other apps that make you think in order to create.
When I am in that zone, and everything is moving fluid, I can keep my hand on the mouse and no hands on the keys, moving things and moving with the flow of the sound and visual icons in Tracktion to mold the audio. Then when I wish to remove a filter because that one didn't sound right, I SLAM into a brick wall when I have to do something different by right click, and moving carefully to delete by reading it, or moving all my hands to press a carefully sought key.
It is trivial to allow the filters to be deleted as I described. Already you have the ability to drag them to other tracks and clips... adding another event handler for when someone drops it anywhere else isn't a big deal and it would allow artists such as myself to stay in the zone.
When will people learn that not everyone is them, and not everyone is using their tools for identical reasons. If you aren't affected by my problems with Tracktion, that is fine, you are satisfied. But if a modification that won't affect you could make me happier then why would you care enough to write and judge?
The only reason why I am using Tracktion right now is because it allows my brain to release itself from any analytical thinking and enter that mystical/visual mode of thought. This is THE reason why I am more creative in Tracktion than other apps that make you think in order to create.
When I am in that zone, and everything is moving fluid, I can keep my hand on the mouse and no hands on the keys, moving things and moving with the flow of the sound and visual icons in Tracktion to mold the audio. Then when I wish to remove a filter because that one didn't sound right, I SLAM into a brick wall when I have to do something different by right click, and moving carefully to delete by reading it, or moving all my hands to press a carefully sought key.
It is trivial to allow the filters to be deleted as I described. Already you have the ability to drag them to other tracks and clips... adding another event handler for when someone drops it anywhere else isn't a big deal and it would allow artists such as myself to stay in the zone.
When will people learn that not everyone is them, and not everyone is using their tools for identical reasons. If you aren't affected by my problems with Tracktion, that is fine, you are satisfied. But if a modification that won't affect you could make me happier then why would you care enough to write and judge?
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
well, to be honest it WOULD affect me, because if i were to forget that it happened, then i would be stuffed. why? because i go to drag a filter to a different place - then remember suddenly that it wasn't that filter i wanted to move, it was a different one. now i need to remember to put the filter back to where it came from or it will get deleted when i release the click on an open space (which would currently cancel any movement i'd initiated) so personally i think it IS a bad thing.
also, i think you'd find that T works a lot quicker for you still if you learn to use the shortcut keys too. surely you don't get by without ctrl/alt/shift modifiers also? and S/D shortcut tool selectors? and do you have a gesture for '/' ? it is entirely logical to use a delete button to remove a filter. after all there is no 'generate filter at this point' key, so a visual method such as the one it uses is logical- it doesn't NEED to be extended to deleting in order for it to be a complete system, as we DO have a button to remove the currently selected item. and it applies to every object in town - you wouldn't want the clips you move to delete themselves if you let them go, would you? so the unified and consistent way everything works holds as it is already.
i do not believe that it is 'intuitive' to delete a filter by dropping it 'somewhere else'. the current 'cancel' action when you let go somewhere else is much more suited. the delete key is a global, nay universal thing for deleting any object in T and indeed any application you care to mention. how can it bring you out of a zone? do you struggle to delete a clip on the edit page too?
also, i think you'd find that T works a lot quicker for you still if you learn to use the shortcut keys too. surely you don't get by without ctrl/alt/shift modifiers also? and S/D shortcut tool selectors? and do you have a gesture for '/' ? it is entirely logical to use a delete button to remove a filter. after all there is no 'generate filter at this point' key, so a visual method such as the one it uses is logical- it doesn't NEED to be extended to deleting in order for it to be a complete system, as we DO have a button to remove the currently selected item. and it applies to every object in town - you wouldn't want the clips you move to delete themselves if you let them go, would you? so the unified and consistent way everything works holds as it is already.
i do not believe that it is 'intuitive' to delete a filter by dropping it 'somewhere else'. the current 'cancel' action when you let go somewhere else is much more suited. the delete key is a global, nay universal thing for deleting any object in T and indeed any application you care to mention. how can it bring you out of a zone? do you struggle to delete a clip on the edit page too?
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 9 Apr, 2003
maybe in the upper left blank corner there could be a little trash-can -- or even better, a helicopter! 
although I notice that the most-used functions are at the edges of the right-click menu (disable/enable at the top, and delete at the bottom)
although I notice that the most-used functions are at the edges of the right-click menu (disable/enable at the top, and delete at the bottom)
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 41 posts since 18 May, 2005
A trash zone would be perfectly fine... after I tried dragging it into thin air and saw it did nothing I tried dragging it onto all the little icons around it hoping one would act as a trash can.
The zone is broken when you must shift gears and change mental directions. When you are in a visual/audio state of mind, there are no thoughts in your mind using words. It is empty of all symbolic word, and you just flow with sounds, colors, rhythms. When you right click and must search for a word you have entered the other side, and trying to go back is like waking up in the middle of the night to close a window and trying to fall back to sleep instantly. Sometimes you can do it, but it is much better to just stay asleep.
Yes, keyboard use is good to learn, and I know how to use it. But there are different roles. I like to stay in the artistic mode while composing/recording/mixing. Then once the overall basic idea is solid, then I can come back as an engineer with my fingers on the keys and mind thinking in terms of technical numbers and words in order to polish up the finer details.
I guarantee you that there are some people whose favorite aspect of Tracktion is the draggable inputs on the left. It is pure genius, so why not go all the way and bring that genius to completion by keeping it consistent throughout the GUI?
The zone is broken when you must shift gears and change mental directions. When you are in a visual/audio state of mind, there are no thoughts in your mind using words. It is empty of all symbolic word, and you just flow with sounds, colors, rhythms. When you right click and must search for a word you have entered the other side, and trying to go back is like waking up in the middle of the night to close a window and trying to fall back to sleep instantly. Sometimes you can do it, but it is much better to just stay asleep.
Yes, keyboard use is good to learn, and I know how to use it. But there are different roles. I like to stay in the artistic mode while composing/recording/mixing. Then once the overall basic idea is solid, then I can come back as an engineer with my fingers on the keys and mind thinking in terms of technical numbers and words in order to polish up the finer details.
I guarantee you that there are some people whose favorite aspect of Tracktion is the draggable inputs on the left. It is pure genius, so why not go all the way and bring that genius to completion by keeping it consistent throughout the GUI?
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
From a design perspective I suppose consistency is good, & it never hurts to have options.
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- KVRAF
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
from the consistency pov though there aren't any other objects (clips midinotes whatever) that can be deleted by dragging. Creation methods vary: drag, record, draw - but delete methods are consistent - delete/backspace.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
All you need do at the moment though is highlight the filter & then hit delete - no?
doesn't take long, so I can't see it interrupting the 'creative process' too severely.
doesn't take long, so I can't see it interrupting the 'creative process' too severely.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
how many buttons your mouse got ... any programmable ones ???
if not ... get one that has ... i have 2 on mine ... one programmed to double-click ... the other set to the 'delete' key ... saves a lot of finger / hand movements in all sorts of apps (so in T2 to remove a filter its just 2 clicks ... one to select and then one to delete ... even easier than a click-drag) ...
... as ever ... its often easier to find a way to do things than just to come and moan that you cant do it ...
slainte
rob
if not ... get one that has ... i have 2 on mine ... one programmed to double-click ... the other set to the 'delete' key ... saves a lot of finger / hand movements in all sorts of apps (so in T2 to remove a filter its just 2 clicks ... one to select and then one to delete ... even easier than a click-drag) ...
... as ever ... its often easier to find a way to do things than just to come and moan that you cant do it ...
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 9 Apr, 2003
top of the menu, bottom of the menu -- no reading required
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- KVRist
- 37 posts since 16 May, 2004
I agree with fake_fake.
I can't think of anything rude to say to those who disagree so I guess I'll just leave it at that.
I can't think of anything rude to say to those who disagree so I guess I'll just leave it at that.