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dudley · Post by **dudley** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:47 pm

Can anyone tell me what side chaining is and how exactly does this work in say cubase using effects with waves...

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:00 pm

In Cubase? Side chaining doesn't work that I'm aware of. Logic supports it though. Basically what it is is one track feeds or side chains into an effect on another track. So you have a bass drum track and a vocal track. The compressor triggers when the bass drum hits, for example, and it compresses the vocals. If side chaining does work in Cubase, someone speak up though.

Devon

sangha · Post by **sangha** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:03 pm

DevonB wrote:In Cubase? Side chaining doesn't work that I'm aware of. Logic supports it though. Basically what it is is one track feeds or side chains into an effect on another track. So you have a bass drum track and a vocal track. You have the compressor trigger the compressor when the bass drum hits, for example, and it compresses the vocals. If side chaining does work in Cubase, someone speak up though.

Devon

Somewhere, someone on KV wrote up something about how to do this. If they don't show up and post in this thread, PM me and I'll see if I can dig a link up.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:04 pm

SX sidechain tutorial with video

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89996

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:39 am

Very convoluted, but functional. Guess it's no worse than setting up the environment in Logic though.

Devon

dudley · Post by **dudley** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:56 am

DevonB wrote:In Cubase? Side chaining doesn't work that I'm aware of. Logic supports it though. Basically what it is is one track feeds or side chains into an effect on another track. So you have a bass drum track and a vocal track. The compressor triggers when the bass drum hits, for example, and it compresses the vocals. If side chaining does work in Cubase, someone speak up though.

Devon

So what your saying is that one effect can feed 2 tracks is`nt that the same as a send effect then where you can use an effect for different tracks...

Or are you saying 2 whole tunes running next 2 each other..

Rune L-H · Post by **Rune L-H** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:01 am

DevonB wrote:Very convoluted, but functional. Guess it's no worse than setting up the environment in Logic though.

Devon

It may look hairy at first, but it's pretty straight forward once you get your head around it. Of course, you could also make a Cubase project template with the routings already in place and save some time that way.

- Rune

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:53 pm

dudley wrote:
DevonB wrote:In Cubase? Side chaining doesn't work that I'm aware of. Logic supports it though. Basically what it is is one track feeds or side chains into an effect on another track. So you have a bass drum track and a vocal track. The compressor triggers when the bass drum hits, for example, and it compresses the vocals. If side chaining does work in Cubase, someone speak up though.

Devon
So what your saying is that one effect can feed 2 tracks is`nt that the same as a send effect then where you can use an effect for different tracks...

Or are you saying 2 whole tunes running next 2 each other..

No. Normally when you have a compressor on a track, it's that track that triggers the compressor. Side chaining allows ANOTHER track to trigger the compressor on the first track. Totally different than a send bus, which allows you to send multiple sources to a single, independant track.

Devon

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:55 pm

rune_lh wrote:
DevonB wrote:Very convoluted, but functional. Guess it's no worse than setting up the environment in Logic though.

Devon
It may look hairy at first, but it's pretty straight forward once you get your head around it. Of course, you could also make a Cubase project template with the routings already in place and save some time that way.

- Rune

No, it doesn't sound difficult, but a work around is a work around. Sucks when you have to kludge things together to get a certain functionality out of something.

Devon

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:59 pm

this topic seems to come up ALOT lately...why not have a sidechaning sticky with links to SC-comps,FX and FAQ!

Rune L-H · Post by **Rune L-H** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:08 pm

DevonB wrote: No, it doesn't sound difficult, but a work around is a work around. Sucks when you have to kludge things together to get a certain functionality out of something.

Devon

I wouldn't necessarily call it a work around. I agree it's not directly intuitive, but then again this is Cubase we're talking about

. This is just the way routings are handled.

dudley · Post by **dudley** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:57 pm

rune_lh wrote:
DevonB wrote: No, it doesn't sound difficult, but a work around is a work around. Sucks when you have to kludge things together to get a certain functionality out of something.

Devon
I wouldn't necessarily call it a work around. I agree it's not directly intuitive, but then again this is Cubase we're talking about . This is just the way routings are handled.

What do you mean by that is it that cubase is just not that great or did I miss something ...

Not being funny......

Rune L-H · Post by **Rune L-H** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:20 pm

dudley wrote: What do you mean by that is it that cubase is just not that great or did I miss something ...

Not being funny......

No, not at all

. I think CubaseSX is very powerful indeed, and othen it's my prefered host. However, I think it's fair to say that the interface itself is not exactly the most smooth concept ever concieved. It easily becomes very cluttered. That's what I was refering to.

Cheers,
Rune

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:29 pm

Is it possible to side-chain in FLStudio? Maybe somehow with the mixer send tracks I presume?

Rune L-H · Post by **Rune L-H** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:41 pm

Chase Altertone wrote:Is it possible to side-chain in FLStudio? Maybe somehow with the mixer send tracks I presume?

Hi,

I'm no FL Studio expert, but I don't think its possible to do proper sidechaining with plugins in FLStudio. However, you can do some tricks with automation that might mimic the effect and give you decent results.

The trick as I remember it, is to insert the FL Studio effect "Peak Controller" on the track you want to act as trigger(sidechain) signal.

Then on the track you wish to process(compress), you right click on the parameter (for example volume) and choose "Link to controller". You will find the peak controller data available as an internal controller.

This can work...but it's basicly just like riding the volume-knob, and it's not going to give you the same response & character as running the audio through a proper compressor.

Anyway, hope it helps.

Cheers,
Rune