I know how great "non-destructive editing" is, but

[Frippertronix]

...is there a setting for "destructive editing"?



Seriously, one of the things that irks me about Tracktion is that, as far as I've been able to figure out, you have to actually re-render a track after editing those wacky "clips", then delete the old track, unless you want all the reject stuff to just stay there in the orginal track needlessly bogging down your HD.

Is this bit of inconvenience a fact of life, or can you get it to save the edits automatically (actually rewrite the original file) as you edit, like on "normal" DAW's, then rely on using the undo if you need to go back and retrieve something after an edit?

I know, I know, this is superior technology, but some of us old timers yearn for the good old days from time to time.

Just meekly asking...

Dave

[mandolarian]

Sadly, the answer will be no. Modern DAW design dictates that the ill-informed user be protected from their ill-considered decisions. Although, not from their ill-conceived colour schemes. Sometimes it just makes you ill.

[Frippertronix]

Sadly, the answer will be no. Modern DAW design dictates that the ill-informed user be protected from their ill-considered decisions. Although, not from their ill-conceived colour schemes. Sometimes it just makes you ill.

I get your point, but my HD is also ill equiped for 600 GB of flotsam to squat there indefinitely, so...



This sucks mainly in light of the "Big Rendering Scare" of late, so I'm feeling forced to use a VST recorder, which is a pain since it is not automated so whenever I render a track during edits, I have to sit there and painstakingly place it again back where it belongs in the mix.

Another reason why they need to get off their duffs and fix the rendering problem.

Dave

[IIRs]

Can you use your audio card to route an ASIO output back to an input? Try recording the parts directly into Tracktion if so.. they will also end up time-stamped, so you could import them into another edit (or another DAW) without having to line them up manually.

[stephengardner]

I have been on this editing issue forever ..I have to edit on my Mackie HDR and mix in T... maybe someday HDR style editing included on T2.5??

[koolkeys]

I hate HDR editing. Just a personal opinion of course, but it is just klunky for me. However, ProTools seems to have it right for me. But for recording from a console, I actually love the HDR, as long as it has the monitor. Makes it easy to set levels on a not-so-visual mixer, like the Analog 8 Bus. I'm even using the HDR now in the studio with a Digital X Bus, and it works rather nicely. The only problem is if I want to get the edits to my Mac, which is my laptop, I have to have a special add-on to get the FTP transfer to work with my Mac. Kind of sucks.

Koolkeys

[rockstar_not]

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Is this bit of inconvenience a fact of life, or can you get it to save the edits automatically (actually rewrite the original file) as you edit, like on "normal" DAW's, then rely on using the undo if you need to go back and retrieve something after an edit?

How, exactly is this undo to earlier version that you mention actually working if it is truly destructively editing as one marches along? My guess, is that some 'flotsam' is there on your hard drive, but perhaps hidden from view, but it seems like it would have to stay resident somewhere in the disk.

And can you explain what is wacky about clips - I'm not following you about that. Maybe it's because I've only recorded on sequencing type software - never done multi-track any other way. It's very natural to me.

-Scott

[Frippertronix]

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Is this bit of inconvenience a fact of life, or can you get it to save the edits automatically (actually rewrite the original file) as you edit, like on "normal" DAW's, then rely on using the undo if you need to go back and retrieve something after an edit?

How, exactly is this undo to earlier version that you mention actually working if it is truly destructively editing as one marches along? My guess, is that some 'flotsam' is there on your hard drive, but perhaps hidden from view, but it seems like it would have to stay resident somewhere in the disk.

And can you explain what is wacky about clips - I'm not following you about that. Maybe it's because I've only recorded on sequencing type software - never done multi-track any other way. It's very natural to me.

-Scott

The undo would only preserve a user definable number of layers, and start deleting anything beyond that. In T2, everything originally recorded or rendered stays on the drive unless you actively delete it.

This is only a pain mainly because T1 and T2 render has some distortion issues Mackie/RMS have not informed us of resolving yet, so I feel safer using something like Voxengo Recorder to render tracks, which I have to do after I edit anything if I want to get rid of the old track to open the HD space.

The VST recorders work but don't sync to playback so you always have a little (and an inconsistent) bit of extra space at the beginning of each new rendered track, which makes it hard to sync everything up again when you reassemble the mix after rendering tracks.

[jtxx000]

try tape it 2... IIRC it will record bwav files which have their position embedded in them. when you put them into tracktion you can have them auto sync to where they were recorded.

[bongo_x]

what kind of DAW are you guys working on that does destructive editing? what "normal" DAW? I've been recording on many different formats for many years and the only things I've ever used that worked like that were the original Cool Edit about 10 years ago, and tape.

why the hell would I want to use a computer if it were destructive? This seems more like a matter of not getting your head around it and adjusting. It's not about saving me from my decisions, it's about I might want to do several things with one piece of audio and I don't want each one to screw it up.

I think you're real problem might be that tracktion doesn't have a "select and delete unused audio" type function like most "normal" DAW's.

I'm not trying to sound negative but I keep reading people talking about destructive editing and I can't figure out what they could have learned on.

If you want an awesome system that sounds really great and works like a tape machine check out RADAR. a lot cheaper than a Pro Tools HD rig.

Billy

[IIRs]

Yeah. Even my old VS880 uses non-destructive editing..

[stephengardner]

Radar is one of the best sounding system out there..I track to radar..edit on Mackie HDR and mix in Tracktion .for me editing on the HDR is very fast..I just can't seem to get my arms around editing in T for some reason?

[voidar]

The non-destructive approach actually saves spaces because you can have multiple clips with one file reference.

If you wish to remove non-used files (i.e. not loaded into an edit), the "find orphaned clips" function in the project-menu works fine.

[bongo_x]

If you wish to remove non-used files (i.e. not loaded into an edit), the "find orphaned clips" function in the project-menu works fine.

right, forgot about that.