I'm trying out the T archive feature with a T sampler that I loaded with some sounds of chains that I dropped onto different surfaces.
If you think this might be of any use, can you give it a whirl and see if it works for you? I had to zip the file so that I could post it over at the audioshots auditorium.
Samples are stereo, recorded with the only 2 mics and pre-amps that I have around - well that's not true, I do have one more mic. On these samples, the left side is a fairly old TEAC MC-105 microphone amped through my Behringer V-Amp2 on the tube pre-amp setting. Right channel is my CAD M-177 LDC through a dbx mini pre mic pre-amp. I did put a parametric EQ in the archive to give the samples a little more bottom end, but you could easily jack that out of there.
Here she be: T sampler archive with chain sounds
-Scott
First shot of a T sampler archive - Chains dropping sounds
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
checks out fine here ... nice work for a first effort !!!
... unpacks OK and saves as a sampler preset as required ... i can certainly see myself using these as percussive elements (how VERY art of noise of me !!! )
... found your sample mapping a little odd though TBH ... having the root key of the sample at the top of its keyrange struck me as a little weird ... and leaving a notes gap between some keyranges threw me at first (i know its not really a pitched instrument though so really not an issue) ...
... hope you dont mind but ive remapped and re-archived your samples in a way that makes more sense to me (not saying im right though ... just different) ... maybe try it and see ...
chain sampler remapped (c.270Kb)
slainte
rob
... unpacks OK and saves as a sampler preset as required ... i can certainly see myself using these as percussive elements (how VERY art of noise of me !!! )
... found your sample mapping a little odd though TBH ... having the root key of the sample at the top of its keyrange struck me as a little weird ... and leaving a notes gap between some keyranges threw me at first (i know its not really a pitched instrument though so really not an issue) ...
... hope you dont mind but ive remapped and re-archived your samples in a way that makes more sense to me (not saying im right though ... just different) ... maybe try it and see ...
chain sampler remapped (c.270Kb)
slainte
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Rob,pHz wrote: ... found your sample mapping a little odd though TBH ... having the root key of the sample at the top of its keyrange struck me as a little weird ... and leaving a notes gap between some keyranges threw me at first (i know its not really a pitched instrument though so really not an issue) ...
... hope you dont mind but ive remapped and re-archived your samples in a way that makes more sense to me (not saying im right though ... just different) ... maybe try it and see ...
chain sampler remapped (c.270Kb)
slainte
No problem on the sample mapping. I did it that way primarily because I wanted a lower pitch out of each sample - the way I was going to use these was not as pitched instruments, but for a replacement for a snare sound in a very down-trodden acoustic guitar tune I'm working on. Like 60 bpm.
So, I wasn't really interested in hearing the samples play back at a higher pitch than what they were sampled at. I actually think I need to go buy some heavier chain with larger links, since even the down-pitching of the samples I have are not what I was looking for.
The gaps, that was just sloppiness; again, because I was just using the down-side from the root note to hear what they sounded like lower.
One general question: When I do a tiral play of the sample it sounds fairly high quality, but as soon as I drop it into Tracktion's sampler, it sounds a little muddier than the original .wav file. What is the reason for that?
-Scott
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
not sure TBH ... any chance you could post just one of the samples uncompressed and ill check it out here for you ???rockstar_not wrote:One general question: When I do a tiral play of the sample it sounds fairly high quality, but as soon as I drop it into Tracktion's sampler, it sounds a little muddier than the original .wav file. What is the reason for that?
-Scott
slainte
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Rob,pHz wrote:not sure TBH ... any chance you could post just one of the samples uncompressed and ill check it out here for you ???rockstar_not wrote:One general question: When I do a tiral play of the sample it sounds fairly high quality, but as soon as I drop it into Tracktion's sampler, it sounds a little muddier than the original .wav file. What is the reason for that?
-Scott
slainte
I just uploaded all of the original .wav files at the same thread at the auditorium:
http://www.audioshots.com/auditorium/vi ... 2606#12606
In T, when you go to add the new file, it automatically auditions them once through - that's where I notice the better fidelity than what is playing through the sampler.
-Scott
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
i dont think theres anything to worry about ... i THINK its down to the velocity of the note playing the sample through Ts sampler ... i loaded up one of your samples as audio direct into a track and then had a simple MIDI clip on another track playing the same sample through the sampler ...
... at the default MIDI velocity the sampler version DID sound muddier / duller ... but once i cranked the MIDI velocity up to full the difference was negligible ...
... the .wav file linked to below is a render (at 88.2 / 32 ... dithered down to 44.1 / 16 using r8brains highest quality setting to try and minimise any possible T2 rendering issues) of these two sounds ... the raw sample first followed by the same audio played through the sampler at full MIDI velocity ...
http://pHz.panicnow.net/audio/chains.wav
... checking the files visually in audition theres a SLIGHT difference with the raw audio seeming to have slightly more information in it ...
... the sampler is probably doing something VERY minor to the audio ... but i guess nothing more than any VST sampler would ...
slainte rob
... at the default MIDI velocity the sampler version DID sound muddier / duller ... but once i cranked the MIDI velocity up to full the difference was negligible ...
... the .wav file linked to below is a render (at 88.2 / 32 ... dithered down to 44.1 / 16 using r8brains highest quality setting to try and minimise any possible T2 rendering issues) of these two sounds ... the raw sample first followed by the same audio played through the sampler at full MIDI velocity ...
http://pHz.panicnow.net/audio/chains.wav
... checking the files visually in audition theres a SLIGHT difference with the raw audio seeming to have slightly more information in it ...
... the sampler is probably doing something VERY minor to the audio ... but i guess nothing more than any VST sampler would ...
slainte
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Rob,
What do you think about any latent noise in the signals?
I used some pretty cheap stuff to make these; soundcard was SBLive, cheapo mics, cheap preamps - including the Behringer V-Amp2 guitar effects box that people roundly crap on for noisiness. Free Tracktion, Free Cool Edit 96 for snipping.
-Scott
What do you think about any latent noise in the signals?
I used some pretty cheap stuff to make these; soundcard was SBLive, cheapo mics, cheap preamps - including the Behringer V-Amp2 guitar effects box that people roundly crap on for noisiness. Free Tracktion, Free Cool Edit 96 for snipping.
-Scott
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
difficult to say given the inherently 'noisy' nature of the sampled sound but to my ears theyre fine ...
(caveat ... ive NEVER been accused of being an audiophile ... quite the opposite)
slainte
rob
(caveat ... ive NEVER been accused of being an audiophile ... quite the opposite)
slainte
rob