Apple switches to Intel

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james wrote:So exactly what is the state of Intel mobile chips? Is the Centrino as good as the hype?

If so, would that be a good candidate for next year's ibooks? Centrino Widescreen ibooks for $700 by Spring 06? I think that sounds reasonable. I would buy one.
I think Centrino is the overall processor/chipset mobile solution, with the built-in wireless and everything (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The Pentium M is the processor.

As for the hype, I'd say it's deserved. The chip isn't the performance monster some have made it out to be -- I work IT support at a small but expanding company and I do all the procurement, and we buy the latest and greatest high-end Toshiba laptops, and my PowerBook easily keeps up with them (though that may be partially due to all the crap Toshiba loads onto their notebooks, including their incredibly inefficient power management tools).

But it's not the performance of the chip itself as much as it is the relative power consumption and heat considering the amount of performance it provides. "Performance per watt," as Steve Jobs put it in his keynote. Intel sunk a lot of R&D into this, probably because they saw the writing on the wall -- laptops have been the only expanding market in PC sales for years now. So they deserve all the accolades they're getting, certainly. And since Intel obviously has a roadmap for the chip (in drastic contrast to IBM), I think it has a very bright future -- and that's exactly what Apple wants.

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Sage wrote:
And yes, it would be a disaster for development. If you could just boot into Windows, a lot more third-party developers would be willing to drop Mac development entirely. Windows is where the market share is at, and if they could just tell their customers to boot into Windows to use their products, OS X would be dead in the water.
Xlr8yourmac.com provides some detailed comments from one of the developers at WWDC describing the current development Intel-Mac which currently features a 3.6GHz Pentium 4.

Minor highlights:

- "the thing is fast". All iLife apps are already universal binaries
- Pentium 4 660 at 3.6GHz, but will not be used in the shipping product (of course, since the high end Intel-Mac is 2 years away)
- DDR-2 RAM at 533. SATA-2.
- Presently uses the Intel GMA 900 integrated graphics chip set which supports Quartz Extreme.
- Regular video cards will be supported, but need drivers
- No Open Firmware. Uses Phoenix BIOS.

Major highlights:

- "They run Windows fine. All the chipset is standard Intel stuff, so you can download drivers and run XP - on the box."

- Game devs optimistic. "They look forward to the day they don't have to support PPC."
- Cell and AMD were evaluated. Cell not intended for PCs; AMD with supply constraints.
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Thanks, AD80, for digging down to the truth. I think my eyes glazed over in the middle of reading the wwdc keynote transcripts and commentary. I apologize if my previous comments misled anyone.

But Apple did say that OS X would not run on anything but genuine Apple hardware. They have to sell hardware to stay in business!

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I dont really have to dig much, I have a lot of friends that are Mac users, and they usually let me know wassup with the platform. :)
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Thanks, AD80. In my original question, I mentioned that an Apple that ran Apple and MS OS's would be the machine I would choose over all others. I don't think I'd be alone. I think Apple's sales would be through the roof. Titanium--I agree with you; Apple likely wouldn't be smart to allow OS X to run on the other guys' stuff.

Tom

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titanium wrote: But Apple did say that OS X would not run on anything but genuine Apple hardware. They have to sell hardware to stay in business!
I've read this in a number of places too.

I think the work from inside Apple is that it *will* be possible to install MacOSX on some non-Apple chipped hardware, but they figure that it'll be such a geek/specialist thing that it really wont affect their bottom line. A bit like people installing linux media servers on their XBoxes.
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AD80 wrote:"They run Windows fine. All the chipset is standard Intel stuff, so you can download drivers and run XP - on the box."
That's a dev box, not a finished product. A P4 w/ mobo in a G5 case. Apple engineers have already said that processor won't even be used in any production Macs. All development kits have to be returned to Apple in 2006. I'll be surprised as hell if they're using the Phoenix BIOS instead of Open Firmware (which is processor-independent) on anything other than a prototype like this.
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valley wrote:I think the work from inside Apple is that it *will* be possible to install MacOSX on some non-Apple chipped hardware, but they figure that it'll be such a geek/specialist thing that it really wont affect their bottom line. A bit like people installing linux media servers on their XBoxes.
Absolutely. You can hack anything if you have the technical skills, but it'll take some work (possibly some sort of firmware emulator), which most folks aren't usually inclined to do. The bottom line is that the vast majority of OS sales are bundled with new computers.

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Speaking of firmware emulators, these have been around for a while

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html
and the now defunct
http://www.cherryos.com

Anyone ever had any joy trying them? I've always been a bit curious ...
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Sage wrote:
AD80 wrote:"They run Windows fine. All the chipset is standard Intel stuff, so you can download drivers and run XP - on the box."
That's a dev box, not a finished product. A P4 w/ mobo in a G5 case. Apple engineers have already said that processor won't even be used in any production Macs. All development kits have to be returned to Apple in 2006. I'll be surprised as hell if they're using the Phoenix BIOS instead of Open Firmware (which is processor-independent) on anything other than a prototype like this.
How much you wanna bet I can get Windows on a Mactel :hihi: .

Seriously I've read it somewhere a few times already but I cant find the article. I do remember it was from one of the Apple spokesmen. I bet you were in denial about the whole Mac/Intel thing too ;) .
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i used to work with a Machead and he loved to say owning a Mac was like having a BMW and that PCs were just Honda's..... He shut up pretty quick when I told him his BWMs were going to be running on Honda engines! ROFL
This was well over a year ago by the way, it was first said AMD and Mac were going to make a deal I believe.

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AD80 wrote:How much you wanna bet I can get Windows on a Mactel :hihi: .
Oh, I don't doubt you could probably get it done with a little elbow grease. I'm just saying I wouldn't expect it to work straight out of the box.

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Sage wrote:
AD80 wrote:I'm just saying I wouldn't expect it to work straight out of the box.
I never expect Windows to work straight out of the box anyway :D
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:lol:

Yeah, us Windows users have to slave in a hot garage with wrenches and tools to get windows to even start.
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That's because we don't think inside the box...

There's too many boxes around here!!!

Tom

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