My gripes about track freezing

[braj]

Workarounds don't replace features, sorry. Anyway, no big deal, I didn't expect T2 to do this anyway.

[haydxn]

but workarounds mean that you're wrong if you say "you can't do it"

[Lunch Money]

Braj, you seem to have the blinders on these days.

When we're talking about 'workarounds', it's to get extra functionality. OTHER hosts don't even HAVE a workaround to get the kind of "full edit freeze" that Tracktion has. So a workaround doesn't always mean compensating for crippled features; it can sometimes mean adding something extra that other hosts don't.

Due to our creativity (well, some of us), we DO have two different ways of freezing. Other hosts just have one, since their version of freeze is just a render-one-track shortcut.

Greg

[braj]

but workarounds mean that you're wrong if you say "you can't do it"

That's bullshit and you know it! You can't freeze individual tracks, you can say that export>import>mute is the same thing but that's like putting lipstick on a chicken and calling it a lady.

[haydxn]

bullshit? have you even got a brain, ms braj?

you can render individual tracks with a button that says render - which renders the whole track and imports it for you.

you can render individual clips, with a button that says 'export', and then import the clip into the edit.

by doing so you have achieved exactly that. are you telling me that i cannot achieve what i have just done? just because there's not a single button that does exactly the same process in a single click, and i have to make one extra click and one extra drag in order to do so - JUST BECAUSE of this you're telling me that it's not possible to achieve it? because of this extra step and a half it falls into the category 'workaround'?

and if you say that "you can't do it" because it's called a 'workaround' then you are constructed from bullshit, because i've just basically proven that you CAN do it. does that make sense to you? or do you not know what the concept of 'cannot' is?

[jens]

It would, however, save LESS CPU

not really (i.e. the differences would be really marginally)

[Frippertronix]

It would in fact be nice to have a freeze option that separates tracks, still putting them in a temp file. That way you could continue to work with them but it would take some steps out of render and save and ensure that the temp file gets cleared when you're done using it.

I understand the real world limitations with the idea of track freezing, but at the same time, it's awful hard to work on a mix when you can't access large parts of it unless you wait through thawing/refreezing. Mixing is just too interactive for that. I'm not asking for the moon, but I'm just saying that track freezing as it is in T2 is of somewhat limited value.

[jens]

but workarounds mean that you're wrong if you say "you can't do it"

That's bullshit and you know it! You can't freeze individual tracks, you can say that export>import>mute is the same thing but that's like putting lipstick on a chicken and calling it a lady.

I as well do not seem to have a brain because I completely agree with braj! (but then again: who needs a brain anyway?)

[haydxn]

okay, let's deconstruct this sentence:

workarounds mean that you're wrong if you say "you can't do it"

okay, let's take the first word, shall we?

Workarounds

What does 'whatis.com' say about workarounds?
A workaround is a method, sometimes used temporarily, for achieving a task or goal when the usual or planned method isn't working. In information technology, a workaround is often used to overcome hardware, programming, or communication problems. Once a problem is fixed, a workaround is usually abandoned.

That's fair enough. A feature has been requested and we wait patiently, but there are ways and means of achieving the same/similar result. Right. What's next?

"...means that you're wrong..."

well, this is quite a simple one, so it may be easier to give several different phrasings with the same meaning:

"... implies incorrectness with the statement... "
"... suggests that it's not correct to say... "

The last part now,

"you can't do it"

Here, this is a potential quote/statement, exclaiming that something is simply not possible. The result of any attempt to achieve the subject of the sentence would fail.

The whole sentence, then, reads (conceptually):

[A] some method of achieving something
implies incorrectness with the statement
[C] that it is impossible




How does that do it for you? it is not bullshit, because to dispute it is to dispute the english language altogether.

but, of course, that's an ENTIRELY separate topic! and you can indeed feel free to complain all you like about that!

[braj]

bullshit? have you even got a brain, ms braj?

you can render individual tracks with a button that says render - which renders the whole track and imports it for you.

you can render individual clips, with a button that says 'export', and then import the clip into the edit.

by doing so you have achieved exactly that. are you telling me that i cannot achieve what i have just done? just because there's not a single button that does exactly the same process in a single click, and i have to make one extra click and one extra drag in order to do so - JUST BECAUSE of this you're telling me that it's not possible to achieve it? because of this extra step and a half it falls into the category 'workaround'?

and if you say that "you can't do it" because it's called a 'workaround' then you are constructed from bullshit, because i've just basically proven that you CAN do it. does that make sense to you? or do you not know what the concept of 'cannot' is?

And this is why the T community is so wonderful

You say it is just an extra step and a half but that's an extra step and a half for each clip you render and reimport. Can you batch export individual clips? No? then it's a really weak work around.

Sometimes I really think some in the T community gets into offering workarounds and insulting users who don't agree with their way of thinking. This is pretty lame. I'm not even fighting to get a clip-freeze feature in T2, I just said it would be nice.

f**king eh. What a load of bullshit.

[braj]

okay, let's deconstruct this sentence:

workarounds mean that you're wrong if you say "you can't do it"

okay, let's take the first word, shall we?

Workarounds

What does 'whatis.com' say about workarounds?
A workaround is a method, sometimes used temporarily, for achieving a task or goal when the usual or planned method isn't working. In information technology, a workaround is often used to overcome hardware, programming, or communication problems. Once a problem is fixed, a workaround is usually abandoned.

That's fair enough. A feature has been requested and we wait patiently, but there are ways and means of achieving the same/similar result. Right. What's next?

"...means that you're wrong..."

well, this is quite a simple one, so it may be easier to give several different phrasings with the same meaning:

"... implies incorrectness with the statement... "
"... suggests that it's not correct to say... "

The last part now,

"you can't do it"

Here, this is a potential quote/statement, exclaiming that something is simply not possible. The result of any attempt to achieve the subject of the sentence would fail.

The whole sentence, then, reads (conceptually):

[A] some method of achieving something
implies incorrectness with the statement
[C] that it is impossible




How does that do it for you? it is not bullshit, because to dispute it is to dispute the english language altogether.

but, of course, that's an ENTIRELY separate topic! and you can indeed feel free to complain all you like about that!

You really need to get laid.

[haydxn]

well braj, you were the one to say that my statement was 'bullshit' even though it was perfectly valid. so bullshit indeed

[braj]

well braj, you were the one to say that my statement was 'bullshit' even though it was perfectly valid. so bullshit indeed

OK, I take it back, it wasn't bullshit then. But if you think an overly complicated workaround that takes 10 times as long to achieve the same thing as what could be achived by a dedicated feature is a valid suggestion, then THAT is bullshit. Capice?

[haydxn]

well, bullshit is a strong word for my liking there, but yeah, a workaround is not the same as a feature. i'm not disputing that! i'm just saying- well, you can read the post again at the top of this page and see the winking smiley and see that i was being admittedly fussy yet precise - it's still possible. and it's not very complicated either.

[braj]

But you said I was constructed from bullshit