My frozen tracks unfreeze all the time!

[Hovmod]

I was going to put this in the existing thread about freezing, but that was a fist fight, so I 'll make this brand new, no fights allowed thread about freezing tracks in T2, OK?

Here's the deal.

I'm working on a couple of songs that max out my system, and rendering is destructive, so I like to freeze. But then all of a sudden things start going real slow again, and I notice that my frozen tracks are thawed up again, completely in violation of my orders.

What's happening? When do frozen tracks unfreeze, and why? It's taking the fun out of this. I feel I'm transported back to the pre-Tracktion days when all my ideas were killed by having to deal with the software or windows or something altogether unmusical. It's frustrating and kills my songs and ruins my mood.

Short version: Why do my frozen tracks unfreeze?

[braj]

are you sure you're saving your edits correctly, or opening the right edits?

[Hovmod]

I'm not *leaving* my edits. This is within the same session!

[Lunch Money]

Not sure if you've stopped the freeze halfway through, but here's what freeze does when you add new frozen tracks, and some already exist:

- The OLD frozen track (it's all collected in ONE file only, after all) gets discarded. I don't know if it's visible or not offhand (never really looked) but it's possible that while the new freezing is being done, the old frozen tracks reappear as normal tracks

- the render takes longer because it has to re-render ALL frozen tracks-- the old ones and your new one you've decided to freeze

- if you cancel halfway through because it's taking too long, the old frozen file is already discarded, so Tracktion reverts back simply to an unfrozen state.

[Hovmod]

OK - But it works well for a while, and then it pops back to the previous state. I let it freeze (updating frozen blabla) until it's done, and then it works fine for a couple of whiles, say 15 minutes, or three runs or so through the song, until suddenly it's unfrozen again. It's confusing.

[Lunch Money]

Hrm. Yeah, that's no good. It shouldn't just revert back to unfrozen without an interrupted freeze or a user-requested unfreeze.

Greg

[Hovmod]

Hrm. Yeah, that's no good. It shouldn't just revert back to unfrozen without an interrupted freeze or a user-requested unfreeze.

Greg

Yeah, thanks - that's what I thought, too
At least that isn't an unreasonable expectation...
But am I the only one to get this behaviour?
I'm just beginning to get serious about Tracktion, and I have a couple of fun projects coming up, with some people coming over to record and stuff, and I really don't want to mess up...

[mandolarian]

Never seen that. Now, can we speak with your evil twin?

[braj]

Could you be inadvertently starting to freeze tracks (keyboard shortcut) then canceling it before you realize it (another kbd shortcut maybe)?

OK, that seems unlikely, no KBD shortcuts for freeze that I see.

[Lunch Money]

It seems to me that it happens sometimes with reloading edits, but since I'm never entirely positive that my last edit HAD frozen tracks (sometimes I exit without saving changes because I know I haven't done anything productive) I never took too much notice beyond re-loading and going, "Shoot, it WAS nice and frozen. Oops."

Never had it happen just randomly in the middle of working, though.

[Hovmod]

Never seen that. Now, can we speak with your evil twin?

Well, he just did it again, while we were talking. Aargh.

So I decided to render the damn problematic bass track, and gues what? Tracktion got the volume automation wrong, so I have to do it again. But that'll be another day, because now I'm not having fun anymore.

The only additional info I can give is that I'm using Reason rewired, and this seems to happen when I come back from editing in Reason.

Could pressing the E-to-E button have something to do with it?

[mandolarian]

Does it happen *every* time you return from Reason? And was the troublesome bass track from Reason?

Can't imagine toggling E-to-E creating a spontaneous thaw.

This is so strange. Are you wearing your official T tinfoil hat?

[Mr. Tingle]

Just use track render and add option. This is what the more experienced users do.

Freeze is most definitely flawed. It seems to have a mind of its own.

[Hovmod]

Does it happen *every* time you return from Reason? And was the troublesome bass track from Reason?

I don't think so. No. No pattern really. Pretty random stuff, methinks. And no, the bass is an audio recording done in Tracktion, with shitload of effects (which is why it's helpful to freeze it).

Can't imagine toggling E-to-E creating a spontaneous thaw.
This is so strange. Are you wearing your official T tinfoil hat?

Hehe - they said it was in the mail...

Just use track render and add option. This is what the more experienced users do.

Freeze is most definitely flawed. It seems to have a mind of its own.

Well, if the power users render, then I'll render. But I have problems with rendering if I have volume or other automation in the track, because more often than not Tracktion gets that wrong (forgets to start out at zero or starts with some kind of leftover noise - seemingly from the last time I played the song and stopped in the middle of it or something), so that can be its own little pile of frustrations.
I won't bother freezing again, but I might start a few rants about rendering...

Thanks again.
I really appreciate such instant feedback.

[mandolarian]

...forgets to start out at zero or starts with some kind of leftover noise - seemingly from the last time I played the song and stopped in the middle of it or something)

Ah, now turn off e-to-e or use tapeit with your nano-second jedi reactions.